45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)
Discussion
Centurion07 said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Couldn't email them?
Couldn't photocopy them?
Or are the entire Republican Party and its acolyte's heading back in time to the 1950s?
"Please sir, the dog ate my homework, honest it did,"
It's because much like Argleton's betting slip, it's a load of bullsCouldn't photocopy them?
Or are the entire Republican Party and its acolyte's heading back in time to the 1950s?
"Please sir, the dog ate my homework, honest it did,"
t. 
It's noticeable that while Biden is running uplifting and positive ads in the last few days of the campaign Trump is fixated on Hunter Biden and a story concoted by Russia and FOX. He has nothing, nothing at all.
eharding said:
It'll be fascinating to see if our high roller attempts to double down on his betting claims, or just disappears entirely from the thread (along with a name change). He's rather painted himself into a corner if he can't (and I don't believe he can) prove he actually made a bet. If Trump wins, and Argleton attempts to come back to celebrate his imaginary winnings he'll be seen as the bloke who not only lied about making a bet, but also lying about the amount he then won. Conversely, if Trump loses, then he'll be the bloke to claimed to have lost £5K on a Trump bet, the very definition of a natural born loser. In the event of Trump losing and Argleton then claiming never to have made the bet, then he's a self-confessed lying fantasist.
The only good way out for him would be to both a) prove he made the bet and b) for Trump to win. So you're taking the chances on something very improbable, multiplied by the chances of something which the odds are currently against. It doesn't look good, I have to say.
Na, I predict that if Trump loses, he'll come back and tell us he made it all up to wind us up, and he got us good etc.The only good way out for him would be to both a) prove he made the bet and b) for Trump to win. So you're taking the chances on something very improbable, multiplied by the chances of something which the odds are currently against. It doesn't look good, I have to say.
Roofless Toothless said:
I wonder about this every time I vote in an election.
Do you vote for what is best for you personally, or what you believe to best for the community? Personally, and after much consideration, I have decided that I don't want somebody else making their mind up about what is best for me . I know what I want, thank you very much, and I wouldn't have the temerity to try and decide on someone else's behalf.
Surely the only way you can achieve a truly democratic decision is by choosing the candidate that best suits the needs and desires of the majority of people.
You're absolutely right.Do you vote for what is best for you personally, or what you believe to best for the community? Personally, and after much consideration, I have decided that I don't want somebody else making their mind up about what is best for me . I know what I want, thank you very much, and I wouldn't have the temerity to try and decide on someone else's behalf.
Surely the only way you can achieve a truly democratic decision is by choosing the candidate that best suits the needs and desires of the majority of people.
There is, however, a point, a line where, once crossed, you have to think to yourself "okay, so my circumstances won't be 100% to my liking if I vote for the other guy, but these guys currently in power are f
king things up to such an extent that people are literally dying, there's rioting in the streets, the environment is being burnt to the ground and about 5 people have more money combined than the other 99.9%".eharding said:
The only good way out for him would be to both a) prove he made the bet and b) for Trump to win. So you're taking the chances on something very improbable, multiplied by the chances of something which the odds are currently against. It doesn't look good, I have to say.
Give it up, it's never going to happen because it can't. If he had such a slip it would have been proudly displayed by now, anything done now will be a forgery, or it just be produced.So don't waste time on it, you're just responding to the attention seeking.
Byker28i said:
This seems stupid - I thought the military were generally pro-trump or is this just that trump doesn't think?
The commander in chief who reportedly called U.S. troops “suckers” and “losers” is now pushing a ballot-counting policy that could disenfranchise tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of American service members who are voting from overseas.
President Donald Trump, in social media posts and remarks, is demanding that all ballots be counted by election night, even though federal law permits states to count ballots from troops stationed outside the United States, diplomats and other Americans abroad to have their ballots counted days later, as long as they were sent no later than Election Day.
In Trump’s new home state of Florida, the deadline for this election is Nov. 13. So, for example, his attempt to skew the counting in his favor could prevent service members deployed overseas from the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville or from Southern Command headquarters in Doral from having their votes matter.
“Trump simply never thinks of the military in his decisions. They just don’t matter to him,” said Fred Wellman, a retired Army helicopter pilot who now works with the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “Thousands of ballots are inbound from around the world, and if Trump gets his way they won’t even be counted at all. It’s un-American and yet another failure to act as a competent and decent commander in chief because they are simply props for his ego.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-disen...
The irony of this is priceless - I'm re-reading Michael Moore's 'Stupid White Men' at the moment and am reminded that one of the things that swung Florida for Bush Jr all those years ago was the GOP's ensuring that late-arriving military votes did get included in the count. The commander in chief who reportedly called U.S. troops “suckers” and “losers” is now pushing a ballot-counting policy that could disenfranchise tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of American service members who are voting from overseas.
President Donald Trump, in social media posts and remarks, is demanding that all ballots be counted by election night, even though federal law permits states to count ballots from troops stationed outside the United States, diplomats and other Americans abroad to have their ballots counted days later, as long as they were sent no later than Election Day.
In Trump’s new home state of Florida, the deadline for this election is Nov. 13. So, for example, his attempt to skew the counting in his favor could prevent service members deployed overseas from the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville or from Southern Command headquarters in Doral from having their votes matter.
“Trump simply never thinks of the military in his decisions. They just don’t matter to him,” said Fred Wellman, a retired Army helicopter pilot who now works with the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “Thousands of ballots are inbound from around the world, and if Trump gets his way they won’t even be counted at all. It’s un-American and yet another failure to act as a competent and decent commander in chief because they are simply props for his ego.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-disen...
minimoog said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I can only speak for myself but I have always voted for whatever party I thought would best serve my interests best.
Or 'fk you I'm alright Jack' as it is commonly known.Because I'm generally 'left of centre' in my views and politics, it could be taken that the way I vote is often aligned with what may be better for others and better for society anyway.
But that then depends on what 'others' actually want and what their views are.
I really don't want to make this about Brexit, but as an example: I voted Remain because I decided that was best for my family (Wife works in the EU as they have offices there, we have family in the EU, etc). But in my opinion, Brexit is going to hit us hard as a country, economically and in other ways, which will have unpleasant knock on effects for everyone apart from the very few at the top who are insulated, and so you could also say that my Remain vote had the intention of being 'good for everyone' and not just me.
If you then say "Well I really wanted to leave the EU" then this just proves that even if you voted purely for selfless reasons to help society, people are still going to be mad at you, and is therefore pointless.
Lord Marylebone said:
minimoog said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I can only speak for myself but I have always voted for whatever party I thought would best serve my interests best.
Or 'fk you I'm alright Jack' as it is commonly known.Because I'm generally 'left of centre' in my views and politics, it could be taken that the way I vote is often aligned with what may be better for others and better for society anyway.
But that then depends on what 'others' actually want and what their views are.
I really don't want to make this about Brexit, but as an example: I voted Remain because I decided that was best for my family (Wife works in the EU as they have offices there, we have family in the EU, etc). But in my opinion, Brexit is going to hit us hard as a country, economically and in other ways, which will have unpleasant knock on effects for everyone apart from the very few at the top who are insulated, and so you could also say that my Remain vote had the intention of being 'good for everyone' and not just me.
If you then say "Well I really wanted to leave the EU" then this just proves that even if you voted purely for selfless reasons to help society, people are still going to be mad at you, and is therefore pointless.
Lord Marylebone said:
minimoog said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I can only speak for myself but I have always voted for whatever party I thought would best serve my interests best.
Or 'fk you I'm alright Jack' as it is commonly known.Because I'm generally 'left of centre' in my views and politics, it could be taken that the way I vote is often aligned with what may be better for others and better for society anyway.
But that then depends on what 'others' actually want and what their views are.
I really don't want to make this about Brexit, but as an example: I voted Remain because I decided that was best for my family (Wife works in the EU as they have offices there, we have family in the EU, etc). But in my opinion, Brexit is going to hit us hard as a country, economically and in other ways, which will have unpleasant knock on effects for everyone apart from the very few at the top who are insulated, and so you could also say that my Remain vote had the intention of being 'good for everyone' and not just me.
If you then say "Well I really wanted to leave the EU" then this just proves that even if you voted purely for selfless reasons to help society, people are still going to be mad at you, and is therefore pointless.
Derek Smith said:
I've got four kids and a certain, but difficult to mpute, number of grandchildren. I vote in GEs, and especially brexit, for what would be best for them, and so for me. However, I view that as similar, probably identical, to voting selfishly. The fact that I believe what is best for me and mine is best for the country is not a consideration.
I don't think there is anything unusual or wrong with that.The whole point of voting for stuff is being asked to choose what you want.
Which brings us a full circle back to the point that was being made about people voting for Trump because he has brought them benefits. If you were an out of work coal miner or steel worker or whatever, and you believe that Trump has got you back into work again then you won't care that he is trashing everything else or dragging the USA through the gutter, you will just be pleased that he got you a job and you will likely vote for him again.
I dislike Trump more than can be accurately described, but I won't deny that people will vote for him, because they see benefits that he offers to them personally.
Derek Smith said:
I've got four kids and a certain, but difficult to mpute, number of grandchildren. I vote in GEs, and especially brexit, for what would be best for them, and so for me. However, I view that as similar, probably identical, to voting selfishly. The fact that I believe what is best for me and mine is best for the country is not a consideration.
I have been sitting here for an hour, during which time I have composed - and then abandoned - two posts on this. I really have problems with this issue. So I decided to read what the philosophers make of it all, did some googling and came up with this interesting discussion on a site I think I might be going back to again.https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/377...
kayc said:
Lord Marylebone said:
minimoog said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I can only speak for myself but I have always voted for whatever party I thought would best serve my interests best.
Or 'fk you I'm alright Jack' as it is commonly known.Because I'm generally 'left of centre' in my views and politics, it could be taken that the way I vote is often aligned with what may be better for others and better for society anyway.
But that then depends on what 'others' actually want and what their views are.
I really don't want to make this about Brexit, but as an example: I voted Remain because I decided that was best for my family (Wife works in the EU as they have offices there, we have family in the EU, etc). But in my opinion, Brexit is going to hit us hard as a country, economically and in other ways, which will have unpleasant knock on effects for everyone apart from the very few at the top who are insulated, and so you could also say that my Remain vote had the intention of being 'good for everyone' and not just me.
If you then say "Well I really wanted to leave the EU" then this just proves that even if you voted purely for selfless reasons to help society, people are still going to be mad at you, and is therefore pointless.
Anyway, I won't mention the B word again... back to Trump.
CambsBill said:
Byker28i said:
This seems stupid - I thought the military were generally pro-trump or is this just that trump doesn't think?
The commander in chief who reportedly called U.S. troops “suckers” and “losers” is now pushing a ballot-counting policy that could disenfranchise tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of American service members who are voting from overseas.
President Donald Trump, in social media posts and remarks, is demanding that all ballots be counted by election night, even though federal law permits states to count ballots from troops stationed outside the United States, diplomats and other Americans abroad to have their ballots counted days later, as long as they were sent no later than Election Day.
In Trump’s new home state of Florida, the deadline for this election is Nov. 13. So, for example, his attempt to skew the counting in his favor could prevent service members deployed overseas from the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville or from Southern Command headquarters in Doral from having their votes matter.
“Trump simply never thinks of the military in his decisions. They just don’t matter to him,” said Fred Wellman, a retired Army helicopter pilot who now works with the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “Thousands of ballots are inbound from around the world, and if Trump gets his way they won’t even be counted at all. It’s un-American and yet another failure to act as a competent and decent commander in chief because they are simply props for his ego.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-disen...
The irony of this is priceless - I'm re-reading Michael Moore's 'Stupid White Men' at the moment and am reminded that one of the things that swung Florida for Bush Jr all those years ago was the GOP's ensuring that late-arriving military votes did get included in the count. The commander in chief who reportedly called U.S. troops “suckers” and “losers” is now pushing a ballot-counting policy that could disenfranchise tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of American service members who are voting from overseas.
President Donald Trump, in social media posts and remarks, is demanding that all ballots be counted by election night, even though federal law permits states to count ballots from troops stationed outside the United States, diplomats and other Americans abroad to have their ballots counted days later, as long as they were sent no later than Election Day.
In Trump’s new home state of Florida, the deadline for this election is Nov. 13. So, for example, his attempt to skew the counting in his favor could prevent service members deployed overseas from the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville or from Southern Command headquarters in Doral from having their votes matter.
“Trump simply never thinks of the military in his decisions. They just don’t matter to him,” said Fred Wellman, a retired Army helicopter pilot who now works with the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “Thousands of ballots are inbound from around the world, and if Trump gets his way they won’t even be counted at all. It’s un-American and yet another failure to act as a competent and decent commander in chief because they are simply props for his ego.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-disen...
A year-long investigation by Bellingcat, The Insider and Der Spiegel, with contributing investigations from RFE/RL, has discovered evidence that Russia continued its Novichok development program long beyond the officially announced closure date.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020...
Remember, trump refused to condemn russia for these attacks
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020...
Remember, trump refused to condemn russia for these attacks
Roofless Toothless said:
I have been sitting here for an hour, during which time I have composed - and then abandoned - two posts on this. I really have problems with this issue. So I decided to read what the philosophers make of it all, did some googling and came up with this interesting discussion on a site I think I might be going back to again.
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/377...
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And hope and history rhyme."
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Byker28i said:
A year-long investigation by Bellingcat, The Insider and Der Spiegel, with contributing investigations from RFE/RL, has discovered evidence that Russia continued its Novichok development program long beyond the officially announced closure date.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020...
Remember, trump refused to condemn russia for these attacks
To be fair I think they need to practice a bit harder with that Novichok 'stuff'..for a nerve agent 8 times more potent than VX they seem to fail to kill a lot of the people they try to with it! https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020...
Remember, trump refused to condemn russia for these attacks
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