( Ex ) copper gets away with murder?

[anonymous-user]

BrundanBianchi said:

Red 4 said:

Loss of control ? Yes, it's a defence.

Apparently so, a very complex / obscure bit of legislation from 2009 by the looks of it. Jeebus, his legal team must have been trawling the library for weeks to find that.

Some of the best threads are those where someone who knows fk all about law prove they know fk all about law but still have an opinion on the bit they know fk all about.

[Red 4]

sebdangerfield said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Red 4 said:

Loss of control ? Yes, it's a defence.

Apparently so, a very complex / obscure bit of legislation from 2009 by the looks of it. Jeebus, his legal team must have been trawling the library for weeks to find that.

Some of the best threads are those where someone who knows fk all about law prove they know fk all about law but still have an opinion on the bit they know fk all about.

Well, yes. This bit of law isn't complex, isn't obscure, isn't new and the defendant's legal team definitely would not have needed to trawl a library to find it.

It comes down to that often quoted legal term "Mens rea" , although other terms are available.

Intent in other words. The law surrounding the offence of murder can be complex and other aspects can come into it but that is not relevant here.

[anonymous-user]

I'm guessing a lot of people posting have never served on a jury

You are reminded again and again by the judge and the legals "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Its actually a really high bar as a human to sit and listen to the evidence, knowing your decision will determine the outcome of the rest of someone's life, without reasonable doubt

They knew he killed her, they had to determine "beyond a reasonable doubt" whether that was his intent at the time

I know in the case I sat on the guy was looking at 5-10 years and the register for the rest of his life and that weighed on us, happily it was the biggest crock of st that should have never gone to court and he was NG within 15 mins of us hitting the room

[BrundanBianchi]

sebdangerfield said:

Some of the best threads are those where someone who knows fk all about law prove they know fk all about law but still have an opinion on the bit they know fk all about.

The same could be said for people that understand “fk all” about sarcasm

[anonymous-user]

BrundanBianchi said:

sebdangerfield said:

Some of the best threads are those where someone who knows fk all about law prove they know fk all about law but still have an opinion on the bit they know fk all about.

The same could be said for people that understand “fk all” about sarcasm

I'm so sorry, I though you were just spouting inaccurate st, I didn't realise it was sarcasm.

Were these also sarcasm?

BrundanBianchi said:

Okay, 10 years for that? I didn’t hear the evidence first hand, but really? Surely anyone else would have got life, and it would have been murder.

That just reads like you've no idea what you're talking about rather than sarcasm.

BrundanBianchi said:

Like I said, I wasn’t party to the evidence, first hand. But it seems extremely odd that the plea of guilty to manslaughter was accepted, and he wasn’t tried for murder. I’m sure he’ll be having a whale of a time for his 6 and a half years in chokey.

And here I assume the sarcasm is that you know he was tried for murder?

BrundanBianchi said:

So ‘Crime passionnel’ then? I’m sure that’s a uniquely French thing.

This may actually be sarcasm TBH

BrundanBianchi said:

Quite. He will do 6 and a half years in chokey, the rest on licence. I’m sure he’ll enjoy every minute of his incarceration.

Is the sarcasm here the bit about 6 and a half years? Because you know he'll do 5 and face parole right? So nobody knows right now how long he'll do.

BrundanBianchi said:

Every day’s a school day. So that is a defence in the British justice system then?

I'm not sure not committing murder is a defence to murder TBH. Or was that sarcasm?

[BrundanBianchi]

sebdangerfield said:

BrundanBianchi said:

sebdangerfield said:

Some of the best threads are those where someone who knows fk all about law prove they know fk all about law but still have an opinion on the bit they know fk all about.

The same could be said for people that understand “fk all” about sarcasm

I'm so sorry, I though you were just spouting inaccurate st, I didn't realise it was sarcasm.

Were these also sarcasm?

BrundanBianchi said:

Okay, 10 years for that? I didn’t hear the evidence first hand, but really? Surely anyone else would have got life, and it would have been murder.

That just reads like you've no idea what you're talking about rather than sarcasm.

BrundanBianchi said:

Like I said, I wasn’t party to the evidence, first hand. But it seems extremely odd that the plea of guilty to manslaughter was accepted, and he wasn’t tried for murder. I’m sure he’ll be having a whale of a time for his 6 and a half years in chokey.

And here I assume the sarcasm is that you know he was tried for murder?

BrundanBianchi said:

So ‘Crime passionnel’ then? I’m sure that’s a uniquely French thing.

This may actually be sarcasm TBH

BrundanBianchi said:

Quite. He will do 6 and a half years in chokey, the rest on licence. I’m sure he’ll enjoy every minute of his incarceration.

Is the sarcasm here the bit about 6 and a half years? Because you know he'll do 5 and face parole right? So nobody knows right now how long he'll do.

BrundanBianchi said:

Every day’s a school day. So that is a defence in the British justice system then?

I'm not sure not committing murder is a defence to murder TBH. Or was that sarcasm?

So that’s obviously a no then ( you don’t get sarcasm).

[anonymous-user]

BrundanBianchi said:

sebdangerfield said:

BrundanBianchi said:

sebdangerfield said:

Some of the best threads are those where someone who knows fk all about law prove they know fk all about law but still have an opinion on the bit they know fk all about.

The same could be said for people that understand “fk all” about sarcasm

I'm so sorry, I though you were just spouting inaccurate st, I didn't realise it was sarcasm.

Were these also sarcasm?

BrundanBianchi said:

Okay, 10 years for that? I didn’t hear the evidence first hand, but really? Surely anyone else would have got life, and it would have been murder.

That just reads like you've no idea what you're talking about rather than sarcasm.

BrundanBianchi said:

Like I said, I wasn’t party to the evidence, first hand. But it seems extremely odd that the plea of guilty to manslaughter was accepted, and he wasn’t tried for murder. I’m sure he’ll be having a whale of a time for his 6 and a half years in chokey.

And here I assume the sarcasm is that you know he was tried for murder?

BrundanBianchi said:

So ‘Crime passionnel’ then? I’m sure that’s a uniquely French thing.

This may actually be sarcasm TBH

BrundanBianchi said:

Quite. He will do 6 and a half years in chokey, the rest on licence. I’m sure he’ll enjoy every minute of his incarceration.

Is the sarcasm here the bit about 6 and a half years? Because you know he'll do 5 and face parole right? So nobody knows right now how long he'll do.

BrundanBianchi said:

Every day’s a school day. So that is a defence in the British justice system then?

I'm not sure not committing murder is a defence to murder TBH. Or was that sarcasm?

So that’s obviously a no then ( you don’t get sarcasm).

Really interesting that every post you wrote within this thread that was utter bks was incidentally sarcasm. My apologies for not picking up on that.