Suspected terror attack in Nice

[Kent Border Kenny]

youngsyr said:

France also has a complex history with nearby predominantly muslim countries which it has invaded and colonised in the past, resulting in a lot of ill-feeling towards France from those countries.

But the attacks aren’t generally launched from those other countries, they tend to be domestic.

This is one of the issues that makes it difficult for many non-Muslims to understand; the idea that a French-born person feels a greater kinship with a Muslim in the Horn of Africa than with his next door Neighbour, and feels that he has a moral imperative to murder that Neighbour fir something that he had nothing to do with.

[Jaguar steve]

AJL308 said:

Getragdogleg said:

Its all people trying to tell others how to live. I think its ridiculous having a beard and wearing what look like sheets or curtains but to date I have resisted getting uppity about it or telling people they are not allowed to do it.

We need to make a global list of things we can agree we don't like and use that as the basis of our societies.

Lets start with a few basics :

Don't kill people.
Don't hurt people, physically or mentally.
Don't steal stuff, or money.
Don't cheat or go back on your word.
Don't put your cock in places its not wanted/asked for/is too young/is married to someone else (unless they are cool with it)


This should do for starters, anyone else fancy adding to it ? We don't need a big list. less is more as they say.

As that Australian bloke is fond of pointing out No one needs a religion to tell them "don't be a ". Just don't be a , or words to that effect.

Having any form of religious belief is exactly same as having a cock.

No problem with that and there's no problem with being quietly proud of it or letting consenting adults do whatever they like with it in private.

But you don't go round telling everybody you've got a cock or spend hours talking about your cock and neither should you demand any special treatment because you've got a cock. You must never harm anybody if their cock looks different to yours and you certainly never wave your cock about anywhere in public and most important of all you absolutely don't ever think about sticking your cock into little children.

[Kent Border Kenny]

youngsyr said:

Not a justification at all, but in trying to find a solution, let's look at both sides of the story - something that no-one else has yet mentioned in this thread.

Which both sides would you consider we look at for this beheading?

There’s someone having their head cut off apropos of nothing on one side, and a young murderer on the other convinced that his imaginary sky pixie friend will give him a reach around when he gets to heaven,

There are no two sides to that.

[Getragdogleg]

WCZ said:

Islamophobia trending on twitter, really surprised at how this time round there is a lot of sympathy for the killers. maybe the tide is turning to some extent and we should just change the laws in europe to no mockery of the 'prophet' allowed, would make things easier

Change the laws to ban Religion.

You wont "make things easier" with these people, they will simply move on to the next thing to hassle you about until we are all living like them and then that wont be right.

Fight back. tell them to stuff it. you do you, i will do me, anything else is interference.

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

The people I really feel sorry for are the ones that think that somehow we can turn back time to the utopia that pre-immigration Britain was. You know, when it was all green fields and people (of the same colour) just got on. It aint gonna happen, no matter how much you wish it.

The ones I really feel sorry for are the dead, and the horror that their families and friends have to live with.

I suppose though that you have your own reasons for overlooking them.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

The people I really feel sorry for are the ones that think that somehow we can turn back time to the utopia that pre-immigration Britain was. You know, when it was all green fields and people (of the same colour) just got on. It aint gonna happen, no matter how much you wish it.

The ones I really feel sorry for are the dead, and the horror that their families and friends have to live with.

I suppose though that you have your own reasons for overlooking them.

Feel free to read back on my posts, I condemn these attacks whole heartedly.

[Troubleatmill]

This weeks www.jesusandmo.net puts it into perspective.

( Mo is actually a body double for those who are easily offended )

[Getragdogleg]

zbc said:

Getragdogleg said:

Its all people trying to tell others how to live. I think its ridiculous having a beard and wearing what look like sheets or curtains but to date I have resisted getting uppity about it or telling people they are not allowed to do it.

We need to make a global list of things we can agree we don't like and use that as the basis of our societies.

Lets start with a few basics :

Don't kill people.
Don't hurt people, physically or mentally.
Don't steal stuff, or money.
Don't cheat or go back on your word.
Don't put your cock in places its not wanted/asked for/is too young/is married to someone else (unless they are cool with it)


This should do for starters, anyone else fancy adding to it ? We don't need a big list. less is more as they say.

I know, let's call them commandments

Yeah, but we don't need 10 of them , I don't give a stuff about "graven images", i don't think Religion is relevant so those ones about only one God can go, and I don't care what day of the week it is !

Don't be a is the best synopsis so far.

[Kent Border Kenny]

maz8062 said:

France is viewed as having declared war on Islam:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/02/emma...

Given their colonial past, this will not go down well.

We know how these things work: terrorism, crackdowns, more terrorism, etc.

We need to reframe the argument. A war on Islam is not the same as a war on Muslims. Islam could be tackled the same way drink driving was and is, through education and a change in societal attitudes.

[s1962a]

Troubleatmill said:

This weeks www.jesusandmo.net puts it into perspective.

( Mo is actually a body double for those who are easily offended )

is it safe for work to click on that link?

[Murph7355]

WCZ said:

JagLover said:

"Sympathy" for a religious nut case who beheads three random people in a church, give me strength.

plenty out there at the moment and plenty of people calling for fresh boycotts of French products

Twitter is full of morons.

Boycotting French products - the right way to state one's displeasure.

Beheading people - nope. And not worth of sympathy.

There should be no changing of laws to suit morons on Twitter or the mentally ill who think it justifiable to behead people in 2020.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

maz8062 said:

France is viewed as having declared war on Islam:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/02/emma...

Given their colonial past, this will not go down well.

We know how these things work: terrorism, crackdowns, more terrorism, etc.

We need to reframe the argument. A war on Islam is not the same as a war on Muslims. Islam could be tackled the same way drink driving was and is, through education and a change in societal attitudes.

Question for you:- Do you differentiate extremist islamist ideology from mainstream islam (Sunni/Shia/Ahmedi/Sufi)?

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

Feel free to read back on my posts, I condemn these attacks whole heartedly.

Yes, but as per your post above the dead people aren’t the ones that you really feel sorry for.

Hopefully you didn’t really mean that, and it was just poor phrasing.

[Troubleatmill]

s1962a said:

Troubleatmill said:

This weeks www.jesusandmo.net puts it into perspective.

( Mo is actually a body double for those who are easily offended )

is it safe for work to click on that link?

It is a cartoon strip where Jesus and Mo houseshare ( Mo isn't the real Mo - He is actually a body double as explained on the website ) discuss and debate Religion.
The barmaid (not in this strip) - challenges their religious beliefs.
Moses sometimes makes an entrance.

Been going since 2005.



From the website.

About

What is Jesus and Mo?
It’s a weekly comic strip, dealing in religious satire.

Is that really the Prophet Mohammed?
No, it’s a body double. Mohammed couldn’t make it, as he has been dead for centuries.

Is that really Jesus?
Yes, that is really Jesus. I don’t know how he does it, but he always finds time in his busy schedule to appear in the comic whenever someone loads a J&M page in their browser.

Is that really Moses?
Enough already.

Why is the Barmaid never drawn?
It is forbidden. Plus, I can’t draw barmaids.

Why is the art so bad?
Because I’m such a bad artist.

Edited by Troubleatmill on Thursday 29th October 15:17

[amusingduck]

maz8062 said:

France is viewed as having declared war on Islam:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/02/emma...

Given their colonial past, this will not go down well.

We know how these things work: terrorism, crackdowns, more terrorism, etc.

Nasty solution now > very nasty solution later.

[s1962a]

Troubleatmill said:

s1962a said:

Troubleatmill said:

This weeks www.jesusandmo.net puts it into perspective.

( Mo is actually a body double for those who are easily offended )

is it safe for work to click on that link?

It is a cartoon strip where Jesus and Mo houseshare ( Mo isn't the real Mo - He is actually a body double as explained on the website ) discuss and debate Religion.
The barmaid (not in this strip) - challenges their religious beliefs.
Moses sometimes makes an entrance.

Been going since 2005.

sounds hilarious!

[Troubleatmill]

s1962a said:

sounds hilarious!

It is.

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

Question for you:- Do you differentiate extremist islamist ideology from mainstream islam (Sunni/Shia/Ahmedi/Sufi)?

Islam is defined entirely by what Muslims do, there can be no other definition of it, as there is no objective reality to it other than this.

What you mean by extremist is just groups of Muslims who you disagree with about the right way to honour Allah and Mohammed, to anyone not in your sect the distinctions are meaningless.

You can only tell who was an extremist after the event in many cases, and even ”moderate” mosques have some very poor views being allowed to spread.

For example, most Muslim men in the UK would not accept their daughter marrying a non-Muslim. To me, that’s an extremist view.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

Question for you:- Do you differentiate extremist islamist ideology from mainstream islam (Sunni/Shia/Ahmedi/Sufi)?

Islam is defined entirely by what Muslims do, there can be no other definition of it, as there is no objective reality to it other than this.

What you mean by extremist is just groups of Muslims who you disagree with about the right way to honour Allah and Mohammed, to anyone not in your sect the distinctions are meaningless.

You can only tell who was an extremist after the event in many cases, and even ”moderate” mosques have some very poor views being allowed to spread.

For example, most Muslim men in the UK would not accept their daughter marrying a non-Muslim. To me, that’s an extremist view.

What you mean by extremist is just groups of Muslims who you disagree with about the right way to honour Allah and Mohammed, to anyone not in your sect the distinctions are meaningless. - What I mean by extremist islamist ideology is the wahabist teachings exported from regimes which use violence and an extreme interpretation of the quran. It's quite clear what extremist Islam is. Wearing a hijab or growing your beard, and not wanting to eat port or drink alcohol is not.

I can respond to the other bits if you want, leaving them out on purpose unless you want a response.

[markcoznottz]

s1962a said:

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

Question for you:- Do you differentiate extremist islamist ideology from mainstream islam (Sunni/Shia/Ahmedi/Sufi)?

Islam is defined entirely by what Muslims do, there can be no other definition of it, as there is no objective reality to it other than this.

What you mean by extremist is just groups of Muslims who you disagree with about the right way to honour Allah and Mohammed, to anyone not in your sect the distinctions are meaningless.

You can only tell who was an extremist after the event in many cases, and even ”moderate” mosques have some very poor views being allowed to spread.

For example, most Muslim men in the UK would not accept their daughter marrying a non-Muslim. To me, that’s an extremist view.

What you mean by extremist is just groups of Muslims who you disagree with about the right way to honour Allah and Mohammed, to anyone not in your sect the distinctions are meaningless. - What I mean by extremist islamist ideology is the wahabist teachings exported from regimes which use violence and an extreme interpretation of the quran. It's quite clear what extremist Islam is. Wearing a hijab or growing your beard, and not wanting to eat port or drink alcohol is not.

I can respond to the other bits if you want, leaving them out on purpose unless you want a response.

Apparently those views and the money to push them are coming from Saudi Arabia. We do a lot of ££££ with them, so won’t tread on any toes. Then you’ve got idiots like warsi trying to make new laws which allows Muslims a free pass. Presumably so some of her dodgy mates at tower hamlets can do as they please.