CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 6)

[JagLover]

RSTurboPaul said:

Telegraph poll on whether or not people support National Lockdown pt2:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1322620212789...



52.9% Yes
47.1% No

(3,480 votes)

I would say that is far from conclusive that they have support for this.

Imagine a similar poll on the 23 March?

The Telegraph Twitter feed will be mainly followed by centre-right voters and they are turning against this strategy, and, soon perhaps, this PM.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

JagLover said:

Except that have locked down too soon for that.

The R number is low so there wasn't going to be THAT many more cases a week or so from now than there are now and hospitalisations with Covid are currently half peak.

Far more likely that SAGE have come up with a set of lurid fantasies and Boris has swallowed it.

I did hear one news report that stated the 4,000 deaths per day by Christmas was without any interventions.

Given interventions are already in place how relevant is that claim?

[BenBuzz]

[ThumperMc]

BenBuzz said:

Not entirely a representative sample set

[johnboy1975]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

JagLover said:

Except that have locked down too soon for that.

The R number is low so there wasn't going to be THAT many more cases a week or so from now than there are now and hospitalisations with Covid are currently half peak.

Far more likely that SAGE have come up with a set of lurid fantasies and Boris has swallowed it.

I did hear one news report that stated the 4,000 deaths per day by Christmas was without any interventions.

Given interventions are already in place how relevant is that claim?

Was it also based on the (quite frankly ludicrous, for all sorts of reasons) 12m infections a day that Sky ran with?

Actually, am I missing a decimal point somewhere, or would that need 800,000 infections a day 2 weeks prior, assuming an IFR of 0.5%?

And they reckon we are doing worse than their "reasonable worst case scenario"?

The figure I saw was 2,000 deaths, and quite frankly, I didnt find it remotely credible

[johnboy1975]

ThumperMc said:

BenBuzz said:

Not entirely a representative sample set

Obviously not. What's it running at at bedwetters.net? 99% in favour??

[Speed1283]

Catz said:

320d is all you need said:

HoHoHo said:

I am MD of a 23 year old successful company in the events industry and that’s gone until I don’t know when, not even sure it will come back.

I have money in the bank but had to make 9 people redundant and hibernate everything. Regardless of having money to pay bills the mental torture I’ve been through over the last 7 months trying to help good staff who have worked for me for some time had sadly pushed me to the point of having to brake at the last second when an image of my son flashed through my head....

I am still low, some days very, very I’m now a courier driving around earning 25% of what I used to (the money isn’t everything it’s contributing to society and being the bread winner that makes me get up each day).

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This is really hard for me to read.

That is awful. So sorry for you and your staff. What a terrible situation.

Sadly I suspect it's just one of many similar stories where previously perfectly legitimate businesses have been trashed by knee jerk reactions. I can't imagine how hard it must be and won't try and pretend that I can relate to it. I'm pleased that you have found an alternative job, it may not be ideal but at least you are working and bringing some money in.

Like some others, I'm fortunate (for now) but I'm not oblivious to the longer term wider ramifications of this and I've been worrying about medium to long term security for a while now, I'm just trying to save whatever I can just in case, and will try and create a years buffer.

When I heard the headlines yesterday morning I just thought FFS, as it's going to kill any business that was just about struggling with the tier system, but also for selfish reasons because I was really hoping for as 'normal' November as possible, was enjoying regular gym, enjoying a few days a week in the office with a a small but good group of colleagues who still realise the benefits of real life interactions. Now I'll be back to working 5 days a week in a small 1 bed flat with no gym, at least in April I could get to the park in the relative warmth and sunshine.

I'm furious, the press conference yesterday was a joke, graphs that don't fit on the screen, constant shifting of start time, loads of waffle that didn't align with the graphs on display then the inevitable bumbling Boris stating what everyone had already known since the morning headlines.

Will try and enjoy the next few days of relative freedom

[the-photographer]

In comparison, Greece, blue first wave, red second, black prediction.

• Much better weather, no it won't save you
• Fragile health system
• New Germany style restrictions introduced this week

Every country will have the same challenges, even Germany with the most beds per capita.

[Chicken Chaser]

ThumperMc said:

Not entirely a representative sample set

It's a bit more representative than 3000 votes from the Telegraph feed!

[ThumperMc]

johnboy1975 said:

Obviously not. What's it running at at bedwetters.net? 99% in favour??

I expect so, how about the David Icke forum?

[Douglas Quaid]

the-photographer said:

In comparison, Greece, blue first wave, red second, black prediction.

• Much better weather, no it won't save you
• Fragile health system
• New Germany style restrictions introduced this week

Every country will have the same challenges, even Germany with the most beds per capita.

Is that deaths or ‘cases’?

[the-photographer]

johnboy1975 said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

JagLover said:

Except that have locked down too soon for that.

The R number is low so there wasn't going to be THAT many more cases a week or so from now than there are now and hospitalisations with Covid are currently half peak.

Far more likely that SAGE have come up with a set of lurid fantasies and Boris has swallowed it.

I did hear one news report that stated the 4,000 deaths per day by Christmas was without any interventions.

Given interventions are already in place how relevant is that claim?

Was it also based on the (quite frankly ludicrous, for all sorts of reasons) 12m infections a day that Sky ran with?

Actually, am I missing a decimal point somewhere, or would that need 800,000 infections a day 2 weeks prior, assuming an IFR of 0.5%?

And they reckon we are doing worse than their "reasonable worst case scenario"?

The figure I saw was 2,000 deaths, and quite frankly, I didnt find it remotely credible

With the same restrictions as today, it was between 1500-4000 per day

[the-photographer]

Douglas Quaid said:

the-photographer said:

In comparison, Greece, blue first wave, red second, black prediction.

• Much better weather, no it won't save you
• Fragile health system
• New Germany style restrictions introduced this week

Every country will have the same challenges, even Germany with the most beds per capita.

Is that deaths or ‘cases’?

That's cases

[the-photographer]

Pistom said:

RSTurboPaul said:

..........I await comments about Tin Foil Hats from at least one certain person but is any of the above really a leap?

All the legislation is in place or will (I'm sure) already be in place by next week, and our apparently puppet MPs will just nod it through, so there is effectively no chance to mount an objection unless direct action is taking (risking criminal records for the man on the clapham omnibus, which he is reluctant to risk) or someone can mount a Judicial Review (at vast cost and at too slow a speed to avert the impending surveillance actions).



Please, someone, prove to me the above is not likely or not wrong - as it all seems far too convenient to me.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 1st November 02:34

With a sufficiently brutal testing regime sweeping through the UK - would it be possible to test, trace, isolate and eliminate wakamole style?

It sounds ridiculous, the cost, the sheer numbers involved, the potential for a mole to lie low although I guess if they lie low long enough, they're not a Covid threat anyway if they need a health passport to go anywhere or do anything.

Edited by Pistom on Sunday 1st November 06:03

There is a great experiment in Slovakia they are going to test the whole country twice, this weekend/next weekend, with the saliva test.

Let's see if it really helps, identify and suppress. The follow-up with long term tracing.


And yes, the UK government has asked for the results already!

[nigelpugh7]

Speed1283 said:

Sadly I suspect it's just one of many similar stories where previously perfectly legitimate businesses have been trashed by knee jerk reactions. I can't imagine how hard it must be and won't try and pretend that I can relate to it. I'm pleased that you have found an alternative job, it may not be ideal but at least you are working and bringing some money in.

Like some others, I'm fortunate (for now) but I'm not oblivious to the longer term wider ramifications of this and I've been worrying about medium to long term security for a while now, I'm just trying to save whatever I can just in case, and will try and create a years buffer.

When I heard the headlines yesterday morning I just thought FFS, as it's going to kill any business that was just about struggling with the tier system, but also for selfish reasons because I was really hoping for as 'normal' November as possible, was enjoying regular gym, enjoying a few days a week in the office with a a small but good group of colleagues who still realise the benefits of real life interactions. Now I'll be back to working 5 days a week in a small 1 bed flat with no gym, at least in April I could get to the park in the relative warmth and sunshine.

I'm furious, the press conference yesterday was a joke, graphs that don't fit on the screen, constant shifting of start time, loads of waffle that didn't align with the graphs on display then the inevitable bumbling Boris stating what everyone had already known since the morning headlines.

Will try and enjoy the next few days of relative freedom

I thought that was something to do with our Apple TV and the screen resolution when you couldn’t see some of the slides.

Glad it was not just me that thought it’s a pretty poor show they can’t even show the slides full of lies and misinformation in their entirety!

[Ntv]

What was the COVID capacity of the NHS in each month since May?

What measures have been taken that have increased or decreased NHS COVID capacity since May?

[craig1912]

whitesocks said:

People like to trot out that Sweden has been a success story in the battle against Covid.

[johnboy1975]

the-photographer said:

johnboy1975 said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

JagLover said:

Except that have locked down too soon for that.

The R number is low so there wasn't going to be THAT many more cases a week or so from now than there are now and hospitalisations with Covid are currently half peak.

Far more likely that SAGE have come up with a set of lurid fantasies and Boris has swallowed it.

I did hear one news report that stated the 4,000 deaths per day by Christmas was without any interventions.

Given interventions are already in place how relevant is that claim?

Was it also based on the (quite frankly ludicrous, for all sorts of reasons) 12m infections a day that Sky ran with?

Actually, am I missing a decimal point somewhere, or would that need 800,000 infections a day 2 weeks prior, assuming an IFR of 0.5%?

And they reckon we are doing worse than their "reasonable worst case scenario"?

The figure I saw was 2,000 deaths, and quite frankly, I didnt find it remotely credible

With the same restrictions as today, it was between 1500-4000 per day

1500 deaths = 300,000 cases per day 2 weeks prior
4000 deaths = 800,000 cases per day 2 weeks prior

(Assuming IFR of 0.5%)

Not credible (IMO)

[GMT13]

Academia is dominated by left leaning individuals and, for whatever reason, lefties love lockdown.

Not only that, they all seem to want to shut down any scientists that disagree with them. This lady is a senior lecturer of epidemiology at QMUL (and also an interesectional feminist) and wants Gupta and Heneghan sacked for their 'dangerous' rhetoric.

https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/13213879499...

It's dangerous presumably because it risks the great unwashed realising they're being lied to.

Also, they have complete control over the peer review process and use it to shut down opposing views. 'Its not peer reviewed, it's nonsense!' is used a a defence but legitimate studies are silenced and not given the opportunity to be peer reviewed as they are refused publication if they find an inconvenient truth (see Danmask).

[irc]

It's all a bit depressing. No doubt Krankie will follow through with a Scottish lockdown here. Twisted in some way to be different.

Anyway. The reasons why it's a huge mistake at

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/01/latest-new...

Summed up as it's an unjustified restriction of freedom. Lockdowns cost lives, and it won't work.