CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 6)

[Canute]

Boringvolvodriver said:

Enlighten me then please - I will admit that right now I am incandescent with rage with it all - not helped by having had a bottle of red to dull my rage so probably not thinking straight

No1. Do you even want the NHS to be functional for all sections of society Y/N?

[Canute]

whitesocks said:

Deep Thought said:

And...?

People like to trot out that Sweden has been a success story in the battle against Covid.

Yes

And it's a total fking failure... I live here

[320d is all you need]

@ Elysium

I noticed you had in the past made some graphs showing deaths by Age bracket with and without underlying health conditions.

Any chance you could update these when you have some free time?

[MDMetal]

pip t said:

MDMetal said:

At this point I'd build a time machine and vote for Jeremy f*cking Corbyn.....

I have a sneaking suspicion that the restrictions we currently face are a veritable liberal utopia compared to what would have been imposed under a Corbyn government.

You say that but he's happily flouted pretty much every rule. But who knows.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Canute said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Enlighten me then please - I will admit that right now I am incandescent with rage with it all - not helped by having had a bottle of red to dull my rage so probably not thinking straight

No1. Do you even want the NHS to be functional for all sections of society Y/N?

Well yes I would but it hasn’t been functional for all sections of society since March. How many cancer treatments have been delayed? How easy is it to see a GP right now? Is it the NHS or the National Covid Service?

[rich888]

I've finally managed to download the death statistics in an .xls format from the official ONS website for weekly deaths, and was quite astonished to note that the overall numbers have hardly moved for the past few months apart from the spike earlier in the year when the epidemic peaked in the UK.

For info the .xls files for this and previous years are available from this link:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

I'm not that good with spreadsheets so wonder whether Elysium or someone else that is equally talented could take a look and convert the total death figures into a graph, and overlay a few earlier years so that we can compare the numbers.

[silvagod]

Elysium said:

silvagod said:

i4got said:

silvagod said:

Elysium said:

silvagod said:

Elysium said:

This is well worth a watch. The presenter is a pathologist and the central part covers some of the odd issues with the data. In particular the lack of excess deaths associated with this second wave compared to the first:

https://youtu.be/380DLg-nAqI

Straight away, there's an omissiom. What if you want quality food and are prepared to wait? Not everything is a triangle!

Also, as you said...'No thought for anyone else. Just a desire to be right and make others as miserable as they are'. So she is wonderful and everyone else is pants?

She was making an analogy. In this case it is a triangle.

And I said nothing about her being wonderful. The content however is very interesting.

Analogy that missed a pertinent piece of information to simplify it.

Are you serious - you know she didn't come up with the Speed/Cost/Quality triangle ?. That's a standard project management model thats been around for probably 50 years or more.

The fact that project management have used it for 50 years does not make it any better. Put crap in, get crap out

You picked a weird point to argue. It’s a good video, but you seem to have got bogged down in the most basic and least interesting bit.

Watch it and discuss the content or don’t bother.

Excuse me, you don't have you the right to question what a person finds interesting or posts about. You may find it a 'good video' but if I wish to argue a point it is totally my perogative.

[Canute]

Boringvolvodriver said:

How easy is it to see a GP right now?

Video and web stuff available in the UK? Here I can do a web-based consult in less than an hour if needed.

[RSTurboPaul]

survivalist said:

Canute said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

The only very small consolation in all this, is that other countries are being equally stupid in their reaction to an illness that has a 99.94% survival rate.

I am clutching at straws I know but I am so p!ssed off right now that I have no real words to say- well I have lots but I couldn’t possibly put them down without getting banned!

Like who and please don't say Sweden?

Any country that doesn’t think that a futile lockdown is the answer.

Anecdotally everyone I know within a 50 mile range of me can work from home and has yet to see a significant personal impact from this.

Only a couple are locking down, the rest of us are stocking up on home drinks in preparation of a home bar scenario.

Only losers will be the local bars, pubs and restaurants we normally meet in.

The second lockdown will be both poorly observed and pointless.

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Saturday 31st October 22:34

[Misanthrope]

Boringvolvodriver said:

I still can’t work out why we are all doing this to destroy economies.

Got to reach that net-zero CO2 target.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Canute said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

How easy is it to see a GP right now?

Video and web stuff available in the UK? Here I can do a web-based consult in less than an hour if needed.

That is fine I suppose but getting a diagnosis via video not quite the same as face to face is it? That lump that you have, the doctor can’t feel it via video can he?

I see that you are in Sweden - when were you last in the UK? Not having a dig, just a genuine question?

[Canute]

RSTurboPaul said:

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Saturday 31st October 22:34

:-(

[rich888]

Biker 1 said:

At least Spitting Image is taking the piss big time right now on ITV.....

Oh good, I set it to record earlier this week and had forgotten about it, I thought it was the US Election Special so will be really pleased if they are laying into Johno & Cock and the rest of the political idiots... not forgetting the Sage numpties

[Boringvolvodriver]

RSTurboPaul said:

survivalist said:

Canute said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

The only very small consolation in all this, is that other countries are being equally stupid in their reaction to an illness that has a 99.94% survival rate.

I am clutching at straws I know but I am so p!ssed off right now that I have no real words to say- well I have lots but I couldn’t possibly put them down without getting banned!

Like who and please don't say Sweden?

Any country that doesn’t think that a futile lockdown is the answer.

Anecdotally everyone I know within a 50 mile range of me can work from home and has yet to see a significant personal impact from this.

Only a couple are locking down, the rest of us are stocking up on home drinks in preparation of a home bar scenario.

Only losers will be the local bars, pubs and restaurants we normally meet in.

The second lockdown will be both poorly observed and pointless.

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Saturday 31st October 22:34

Exactly. Which is why I am so p!ssed off with it. I really feel for people like you - and sadly there will be many many more. The lockdown restrictions are not required to the level that we are seeing - the impacts are far greater than what is immediately obvious.

We will be f@caked for a long time for an illness that 99.94% survives

[TheDrBrian]

Canute said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Enlighten me then please - I will admit that right now I am incandescent with rage with it all - not helped by having had a bottle of red to dull my rage so probably not thinking straight

No1. Do you even want the NHS to be functional for all sections of society Y/N?

Question for you
If we put a large portion of our tax payers out of work how do we fund an nhs?

Bonus round- what do you say to those people who are now out of work and who were never at risk of Wuhan flu?



So if I’m reading those imprisonments regs right we can travel for exercise?
Good. I’m off for a walk round the peaks and a quick eye test at Barnard castle.

[Douglas Quaid]

RSTurboPaul said:

survivalist said:

Canute said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

The only very small consolation in all this, is that other countries are being equally stupid in their reaction to an illness that has a 99.94% survival rate.

I am clutching at straws I know but I am so p!ssed off right now that I have no real words to say- well I have lots but I couldn’t possibly put them down without getting banned!

Like who and please don't say Sweden?

Any country that doesn’t think that a futile lockdown is the answer.

Anecdotally everyone I know within a 50 mile range of me can work from home and has yet to see a significant personal impact from this.

Only a couple are locking down, the rest of us are stocking up on home drinks in preparation of a home bar scenario.

Only losers will be the local bars, pubs and restaurants we normally meet in.

The second lockdown will be both poorly observed and pointless.

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Saturday 31st October 22:34

I don’t think he was gloating, I think he was just saying, the lockdown is pointless, won’t work and the only thing it will achieve is screwing up the bars, restaurants etc.

Sorry to hear you’re struggling, this is the crappy thing about this bullst, the politicians have got no money worries whatsoever so can do what they like and have no idea and no concerns about the businesses they’re closing and the people they’re putting out of work. Boris is a millionaire. I doubt he has ever known what it’s like to have a few hundred quid left and no idea where the next money is going to come from. I hope you get some work doing something soon.

[RSTurboPaul]

whitesocks said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Boo hoo.

Remember, no matter how hard you have it, there is always somebody worse off.

Not you, I'm guessing.

[Canute]

TheDrBrian said:

Question for you
If we put a large portion of our tax payers out of work how do we fund an nhs?

I think some kind of Bond system is coming, but given almost all major economies are in the same boat I suspect some kind of debt right-off and also increased taxes in some areas.

Bonus round- what do you say to those people who are now out of work and who were never at risk of Wuhan flu?

I don't think there is any group legally employed age-wise that would qualify, so fairly stupid question.

So if I’m reading those imprisonments regs right we can travel for exercise?
Good. I’m off for a walk round the peaks and a quick eye test at Barnard castle.

Selfish

[mondeoman]

RSTurboPaul said:

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Ah, yes, but, as long as it adds two weeks to the life of a 90 yo, it's worth it.

[HoHoHo]

RSTurboPaul said:

whitesocks said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Well, good for you, I'm so fking pleased for you and your friends.

Some of us are unemployed, are down to their last few hundred quid and have a family to support, but are unable to just walk into even poorly-paid employment thanks to the total fk-up that is in progress.

But you crack on.

Boo hoo.

Remember, no matter how hard you have it, there is always somebody worse off.

Not you, I'm guessing.

Don’t waste your time Paul.

Good luck and stay strong.