46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

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anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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The West, including the US, will continue to ignore China's abuses. Yes, there'll be smalltalk, maybe the odd token gesture, but no action of consequence. There's no gain to be had and a lot to lose from actually standing up to China.

We all sit here on our iPhones and countless other goods made in China, who themselves are ingratiating and influencing across the world with large-scale investments.

Biden can't be criticised for being weak with China because he has little choice.

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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anonymous said:
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Edited by Voight Kampff on Tuesday 23 February 11:23
Biden's "big sticks" are the same "big sticks" the US has had for at least 80 years. They are still available to any American President if they feel the need to use them. The whole point of the "big stick" is that it doesn't ever really need to be used - much. All any protagonist needs to be reminded of is that it is there and available.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Talk of 'big sticks' is now outdated and indicative of a viewpoint that does not reflect the modern world.

The military stick isn't one Biden can use in this case.

It seems reasonable for Biden to focus on improving American productivity and efficiency.

silentbrown

8,838 posts

116 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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anonymous said:
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But Sir, HE started it!

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captain_cynic

12,004 posts

95 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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silentbrown said:
anonymous said:
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The "sticks" available are the same as Trump's: America's commercial, military and diplomatic power,

Trump's was unable to use the third of those, having dumped all over most of his international allies.

A good question (for another thread) is whether those sticks are ever going to be able to bend China to the west's will.
Actually Biden's stick is the same as Obama's, Bush's, Clinton's, Regan's, et Al.

China can stand up to any county individually, but not to the western world standing together.

That is something Trump never got and why he failed. The US derives most of its power from its allies.

Biden knows this, but he has more important things tondo at home. He knows China can wait and he also knows they can't be bullied. Soft pressure and deft diplomacy is what is required here.

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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I wasn't just talking about military force.

I'm sure Biden can do the productivity and efficiency thing too. None of the above are mutually exclusive.

Trump has a pea sized brain that fails to understand utterly how to handle others - especially when it comes to complex international negotiations. Debating with him is probably like debating with a potato, except that a potato has the sense to stay quiet.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Eric Mc said:
anonymous said:
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I wasn't just talking about military force.

I'm sure Biden can do the productivity and efficiency thing too. None of the above are mutually exclusive.

Trump has a pea sized brain that fails to understand utterly how to handle others - especially when it comes to complex international negotiations. Debating with him is probably like debating with a potato, except that a potato has the sense to stay quiet.
Last paragraph not really necessary to the debate

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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No, it wasn't - but I enjoyed writing it smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Eric Mc said:
No, it wasn't - but I enjoyed writing it smile
Fair enough! Feel good moment!

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Exactly.

HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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People forget that "military" isn't just shorthand for direct conflict. The US can absolutely exercise military power in defence of its interests and those of its allies, and to a degree already does so with activities such as freedom-of-navigation operations within China's hegemonic claims in the South China Sea. That's the sort of "big stick carrying" which, when done as part of a global mission backed by other immediate regional powers and allies further afield (IE 5EYES), can definitely be a tool at addressing China's expansionist aims. Denying China the ability to exercise control over its illegal claims within the Nine Dash Line would be a huge strategic victory.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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The 'battle' is an economic one of imports and exports, the balance of trade and employment.

silentbrown

8,838 posts

116 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Not just that: It's more of a 'cultural' battle, which is why they have the Great Firewall of China. Economics is just one way of applying pressure.

Byker28i

59,820 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Byker28i

59,820 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Gallup poll:

67% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of the coronavirus.
56% of Americans approve of Biden's overall job performance.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Byker28i said:
Just to prepare you, I'm returning this weekend so won't be posting for another 2 days...


Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 23 February 20:57
Oh goody, while the cat's away the mice will play!
hehe

Byker28i

59,820 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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anonymous said:
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I think you have the majority of the posts on here

Byker28i

59,820 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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From the WP
No, Biden’s new border move isn’t like Trump’s ‘kids in cages’



Whether you called those “cages” or “chain-link partitions” or anything else, though, that’s not the situation at the border facility the Biden administration is reactivating. Carrizo has many more facilities for those staying there — to the point where it costs $775 per day per child. Nor is the administration forcing these children to be separated from their parents. Whatever one thinks about how these children are handled once they’re taken into custody — and there are valid debates about both the speed and efficacy of that process — it bears little resemblance to what happened under Trump. They are not being held behind chain-link fences at a Border Patrol station because of a policy that requires them to be separated from their parents.


The Biden administration has many problems to deal with on the border, for a variety of reasons. Part of the reason for the current surge in both families and unaccompanied minors arriving without authorization appears to be its softer approach to enforcement, which gives border-crossers more hope that they’ll be allowed into the country.

These issues will surely test the president in the months and years to come. But suggesting that this is at all akin to what Trump did with children on the border — or that the media is soft-pedaling what the Biden administration is doing — just doesn’t add up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/23...

Byker28i

59,820 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2021
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Still the GOP push the lies.

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
Ron Johnson is using his questioning time during the Capitol security hearing to promote a conspiracy theory that the January 6 insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1364256884044271620

Byker28i

59,820 posts

217 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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It's not looking good for Neera Tanden’s nomination, although she's being held to higher standards than many of trumps nominations.

Politico point out that many were saying from the start they wouldn't vote for her, but Biden/team Biden thought they would have enough votes. Seems they were wrong.

Tanden’s nomination became imperiled last Friday when Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced his opposition, a development that took Democrats by surprise. But the seeds of her rocky reception on the Hill were planted with White House miscalculations weeks beforehand — among them, that moderate Senate Democrats would rally behind the president’s slate of nominees and that Republican resistance would soften.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/23/neera-tan...