46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[southendpier]

Surely, If the policies were thought to be working then they would be celebrated.

vice versa

[Crackie]

HM-2 said:

Crackie said:

The oppressor and oppressed hierarchy narrative has been around since Adam was a lad

That's because it's an accurate assessment of the structure of most societies.

Edited by HM-2 on Tuesday 28th June 14:04

You may think that is accurate, and that is fine............many will not.

Your 'accurate assessment' suggests that oppressor / oppressed hierarchical structures are oppressive by nature...............They aren't. That's why I said narrative.

[Crackie]

tangerine_sedge said:

Crackie said:

tangerine_sedge said:

You do realise that "culture wars" is used to broadly explain the polarised views between Progressives/liberal and Othodox/conservatives, dont you?

Clearly

tangerine_sedge said:

You seem to be pushing the view that it's only the progressives that are causing the culture war.

No. Takes two to Tango. The oppressor and oppressed hierarchy narrative has been around since Adam was a lad. It's hard to define precisely when & where the present day culture wars began in earnest.............the seeds were sown hundreds of years ago.

I'm confused by your posts. Your previous post seemed to put all the blame on the left for the 'culture wars', but here you accept that both sides are to blame?

Re the culture war, yes both sides are to blame. Much depends on where people sit on the ideologue / pragmatist scale...........one is far happier than the other when continuous improvements are being made.

Clearly nothing is black and white............The topic of equality / culture war is hardly a new subject for the left & right to debate. Aristotle's views on a fairer society and redistribution of wealth are well documented. He said “the truly democratic statesman must study how the multitude may be saved from extreme poverty” and “measures must be contrived that bring about lasting prosperity for all”. 2250 years ago.

The left and the right are extremely wary of the consequences of the other shifting too far to the extremes............and rightly so.

Edited by Crackie on Wednesday 29th June 12:01

[HM-2]

Crackie said:

You may think that is accurate, and that is fine............many will not

They're entitled to their view on the subject, but they're wrong.

Crackie said:

suggests that oppressor / oppressed hierarchical structures are oppressive by nature

Oppressor/oppressed hierarchies are, by definition, oppressive. How can an oppressor not be oppressive? This is utter nonsense.

southendpier said:

Surely, If the policies were thought to be working

Whose policies? There's not been a fundamental change in federal Immigration policy during the Biden administration, due to much of the policy agenda being stuck in the courts.

Edited by HM-2 on Wednesday 29th June 12:42

[TTmonkey]

So one thing that’s been bugging me about yesterdays statements about Trump.


It’s alleged that when he was in ‘The Beast’ limo and he wanted to go to the capitol, the people with him told him that it was a bad idea and that they would return to the West Wing, and then he leapt at the driver and grabbed the wheel and demanded he go where he wants…..


So I’ve never ever seen the President ‘riding shotgun’ in his limos. I don’t believe this happens.

So how did the fat 76 year old slob manage to grab the steering wheel exactly, if like as always, he’s sat in the back with his advisor at the time?

[Al Gorithum]

TTmonkey said:

So one thing that’s been bugging me about yesterdays statements about Trump.


It’s alleged that when he was in ‘The Beast’ limo and he wanted to go to the capitol, the people with him told him that it was a bad idea and that they would return to the West Wing, and then he leapt at the driver and grabbed the wheel and demanded he go where he wants…..


So I’ve never ever seen the President ‘riding shotgun’ in his limos. I don’t believe this happens.

So how did the fat 76 year old slob manage to grab the steering wheel exactly, if like as always, he’s sat in the back with his advisor at the time?

Wrong thread mate.

[rscott]

TTmonkey said:

So one thing that’s been bugging me about yesterdays statements about Trump.


It’s alleged that when he was in ‘The Beast’ limo and he wanted to go to the capitol, the people with him told him that it was a bad idea and that they would return to the West Wing, and then he leapt at the driver and grabbed the wheel and demanded he go where he wants…..


So I’ve never ever seen the President ‘riding shotgun’ in his limos. I don’t believe this happens.

So how did the fat 76 year old slob manage to grab the steering wheel exactly, if like as always, he’s sat in the back with his advisor at the time?

For a start, he wasn't in the Beat, but in one of the armoured SUVs.

[tangerine_sedge]

TTmonkey said:

So one thing that’s been bugging me about yesterdays statements about Trump.


It’s alleged that when he was in ‘The Beast’ limo and he wanted to go to the capitol, the people with him told him that it was a bad idea and that they would return to the West Wing, and then he leapt at the driver and grabbed the wheel and demanded he go where he wants…..


So I’ve never ever seen the President ‘riding shotgun’ in his limos. I don’t believe this happens.

So how did the fat 76 year old slob manage to grab the steering wheel exactly, if like as always, he’s sat in the back with his advisor at the time?

I believe that this refers to an incident when he was in a standard SUV not "the beast", so easier to access the front seats. Also, it's hearsay from a secondary source, so may have been embroidered along the way. I think it's likely that he wanted to go to the capitol, I think it's likely that he physically got in the drivers 'space', but whether he actually grabbed the steering wheel or the driver I don't know...

[thiscocks]

Quite funny (and also pretty worrying): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1taAqON5vY

[paulguitar]

thiscocks said:

Quite funny (and also pretty worrying): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1taAqON5vY

Yeah we did these.

[Al Gorithum]

thiscocks said:

Quite funny (and also pretty worrying): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1taAqON5vY

Props for having a go on Katy Perry, but pretty sure the guy has mental health issues. Gone from Hippy to Nazi (so to speak - don't go pedantic on me) very quickly.

[Roderick Spode]

Al Gorithum said:

thiscocks said:

Quite funny (and also pretty worrying): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1taAqON5vY

Props for having a go on Katy Perry, but pretty sure the guy has mental health issues. Gone from Hippy to Nazi (so to speak - don't go pedantic on me) very quickly.

That video was hilarious and sums up the leadership of the US succinctly.

Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for critiquing the Greatest and Most Lucid/Popular/Bestest President in US history.

[cqueen]

Al Gorithum said:

Props for having a go on Katy Perry, but pretty sure the guy has mental health issues. Gone from Hippy to Nazi (so to speak - don't go pedantic on me) very quickly.

Pointing out the obvious makes you a Nazi now eh? Deluded.

[HM-2]

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for

I mean he clearly caveated by saying "so to speak" so he wasn't being literal, but Brand has drunk a great deal of the alt-right Koolade. He's also an absolute charlatan.

[jimmyjimjim]

Al Gorithum said:

Props for having a go on Katy Perry, but pretty sure the guy has mental health issues. Gone from Hippy to Nazi (so to speak - don't go pedantic on me) very quickly.

Use of Nazi these days is so overused that the reaction isn't a knee-jerk hatred of the person accused of being such, but to question the motives of the person making the accusation.

[Roderick Spode]

HM-2 said:

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for

I mean he clearly caveated by saying "so to speak" so he wasn't being literal, but Brand has drunk a great deal of the alt-right Koolade. He's also an absolute charlatan.

He caveated it, so that's okay then he isn't a literal nazi, just a figurative one?

If I called Biden a doddery old fossil barely in control of his own faculties (so to speak...) I'm sure you thread warriors would be all over it as besmirching the President...

[jimmyjimjim]

HM-2 said:

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for

I mean he clearly caveated by saying "so to speak" so he wasn't being literal, but Brand has drunk a great deal of the alt-right Koolade. He's also an absolute charlatan.

Brand has drunk a lot of stuff, for sure. I can stand about 30 seconds of one of his videos. 'so to speak' is a copout; make the accusation and back pedal in the same sentence.

[southendpier]

Posters who throw far-right, fascist and Nazi into an internet discussion should help you to understand who the extremist really is.

[Al Gorithum]

jimmyjimjim said:

HM-2 said:

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for

I mean he clearly caveated by saying "so to speak" so he wasn't being literal, but Brand has drunk a great deal of the alt-right Koolade. He's also an absolute charlatan.

Brand has drunk a lot of stuff, for sure. I can stand about 30 seconds of one of his videos. 'so to speak' is a copout; make the accusation and back pedal in the same sentence.

Not really buddy. I was making the observation that he's gone from Left Wing to Right Wing, as have a few other people who struggle with mental health and/or addictions.

[tangerine_sedge]

Al Gorithum said:

jimmyjimjim said:

HM-2 said:

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for

I mean he clearly caveated by saying "so to speak" so he wasn't being literal, but Brand has drunk a great deal of the alt-right Koolade. He's also an absolute charlatan.

Brand has drunk a lot of stuff, for sure. I can stand about 30 seconds of one of his videos. 'so to speak' is a copout; make the accusation and back pedal in the same sentence.

Not really buddy. I was making the observation that he's gone from Left Wing to Right Wing, as have a few other people who struggle with mental health and/or addictions.

I don't know about his mental state or whether he has any current addictions, but he does seem to be chasing a certain type of viewer. He's obviously decided to trash his own reputation as a comedian in exchange for easy viewer numbers from the alt-right.

He's had a long history of supporting mainly left wing politicians and views, for example supporting the Greens, and Corbyn in the mid 2010's, but he seems to have dabbled with conspiracy theories for a long time, with comments about the World Trade Centre attacks, and subsequently alt-right theories since.

It's odd that his comedy was always political, but picked it's targets from across the political spectrum, now it appears he mainly targets democrats, so what's changed in the last 5 years?