46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
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rscott said:
One Democrat disagreed with part of the bill - so he didn't support it. Do you really think that's in any way equivalent to wasting 11 hours reading out every word of the bill?
Both groups used the democratic process to try and alter the outcome to their liking. You forgive one because you're sympathetic to them and criticise the other because they're not your 'team'.RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
rscott said:
One Democrat disagreed with part of the bill - so he didn't support it. Do you really think that's in any way equivalent to wasting 11 hours reading out every word of the bill?
Both groups used the democratic process to try and alter the outcome to their liking. You forgive one because you're sympathetic to them and criticise the other because they're not your 'team'.RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
rscott said:
One Democrat disagreed with part of the bill - so he didn't support it. Do you really think that's in any way equivalent to wasting 11 hours reading out every word of the bill?
Both groups used the democratic process to try and alter the outcome to their liking. You forgive one because you're sympathetic to them and criticise the other because they're not your 'team'.There are those in the U.K. that spent four years in Parliament doing everything they could to overturn democracy
You can look at vote after vote where Labour/Conservatives have voted on party lines regardless of which gang was in power
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I'm only here to speak for myself.
What did the Republicans responsible give as reasoning? Did the rules entitle them to do what they did? Is it you don't like the rules?
Did the democrat who disagreed with the $400 a week hold up the bill?
The democrat wanted to change the bill, the republican had no intention of altering the content at all.What did the Republicans responsible give as reasoning? Did the rules entitle them to do what they did? Is it you don't like the rules?
Did the democrat who disagreed with the $400 a week hold up the bill?
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/0...
Johnson said his tactic was about “educating” the American public on what was in the $1.9 trillion package
He told reporters Thursday he felt badly for the Senate clerks who are going to “have to read it,” but it was “important” to delay the process and read the bill aloud because “so often we rush these massive bills” which few lawmakers have time to read.
Earthdweller said:
So really no different from any other country then
There are those in the U.K. that spent four years in Parliament doing everything they could to overturn democracy
You can look at vote after vote where Labour/Conservatives have voted on party lines regardless of which gang was in power
Yep. Democratic systems are imperfect. Look at the UK in 2019. Parliament stifling the will of the people and the government breaking the law to try and bypass. The only real solution then was an election.There are those in the U.K. that spent four years in Parliament doing everything they could to overturn democracy
You can look at vote after vote where Labour/Conservatives have voted on party lines regardless of which gang was in power
In the US, an evenly balanced Senate means every Dem senator is a kingmaker, so you're going to get instances where the Reps close ranks and vote together to force that to happen. One or more Dems will then take advantage against their own party and make their own demands.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
What did the Republicans responsible give as reasoning? Did the rules entitle them to do what they did? Is it you don't like the rules?
The stated intention of Republicans was to delay the bill as long as possible while they tried to turn public opinion against it, despite a 76% approval rating and a 60% approval rating from Republicans.So never mind those not getting unemployment benefit or those unable to buy rent or food. They clearly were of no concern.
Crafty_ said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
What did the Republicans responsible give as reasoning? Did the rules entitle them to do what they did? Is it you don't like the rules?
The stated intention of Republicans was to delay the bill as long as possible while they tried to turn public opinion against it, despite a 76% approval rating and a 60% approval rating from Republicans.So never mind those not getting unemployment benefit or those unable to buy rent or food. They clearly were of no concern.
rscott said:
Some Republicans submitted amendments to the bill - I may or may not agree with their intentions but at least they were actually trying to modify it. Johnson's insistence on it being read out wasn't - it was simply a timewasting effort.
But to have it read out in full allows it to be documented where the money is going ... when your attack is going to be that less that 20~25% is actually going on Covid release it's a farsighted long term play,It may not be such a simply timewasting effort.
T6 vanman said:
But to have it read out in full allows it to be documented where the money is going ... when your attack is going to be that less that 20~25% is actually going on Covid release it's a farsighted long term play,
It may not be such a simply timewasting effort.
Where's the other 75 to 80% going?It may not be such a simply timewasting effort.
JeffreyD said:
T6 vanman said:
But to have it read out in full allows it to be documented where the money is going ... when your attack is going to be that less that 20~25% is actually going on Covid release it's a farsighted long term play,
It may not be such a simply timewasting effort.
Where's the other 75 to 80% going?It may not be such a simply timewasting effort.
You can see the future headlines ... Biden big business or money for Pelosi's interest groups
T6 vanman said:
You misunderstand .... I'm highlighting why they wanted it read out in full .... To then have a mechanism to use the attack that the money is not going where it should ....
You can see the future headlines ... Biden big business or money for Pelosi's interest groups
So where will they say the money is going?You can see the future headlines ... Biden big business or money for Pelosi's interest groups
rscott said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I'm only here to speak for myself.
What did the Republicans responsible give as reasoning? Did the rules entitle them to do what they did? Is it you don't like the rules?
Did the democrat who disagreed with the $400 a week hold up the bill?
The democrat wanted to change the bill, the republican had no intention of altering the content at all.What did the Republicans responsible give as reasoning? Did the rules entitle them to do what they did? Is it you don't like the rules?
Did the democrat who disagreed with the $400 a week hold up the bill?
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/0...
Johnson said his tactic was about “educating” the American public on what was in the $1.9 trillion package
He told reporters Thursday he felt badly for the Senate clerks who are going to “have to read it,” but it was “important” to delay the process and read the bill aloud because “so often we rush these massive bills” which few lawmakers have time to read.
https://www.newsweek.com/lawmakers-given-hours-rea...
Hypocrites - you bet...
Republicans in 20+ states have introduced bills to ban transgender girls from competing on girls' sports teams in high schools. Yet in almost all cases, sponsors can't cite a single instance in their state or region where participation has caused problems.
Legislators in more than 20 states have introduced bills this year that would ban transgender girls from competing on girls’ sports teams in public high schools. Yet in almost every case, sponsors cannot cite a single instance in their own state or region where such participation has caused problems.
The Associated Press reached out to two dozen state lawmakers sponsoring such measures around the country as well as the conservative groups supporting them and found only a few times it’s been an issue among the hundreds of thousands of American teenagers who play high school sports.
In South Carolina, for example, Rep. Ashley Trantham said she knew of no transgender athletes competing in the state and was proposing a ban to prevent possible problems in the future. Otherwise, she said during a recent hearing, “the next generation of female athletes in South Carolina may not have a chance to excel.”
In Tennessee, House Speaker Cameron Sexton conceded there may not actually be transgender students now participating in middle and high school sports; he said a bill was necessary so the state could be “proactive.”
Some lawmakers didn’t respond to AP’s queries. Others in places like Mississippi and Montana largely brushed aside the question or pointed to a pair of runners in Connecticut. Between 2017 and 2019, transgender sprinters Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood combined to win 15 championship races, prompting a lawsuit.
https://apnews.com/article/lawmakers-unable-to-cit...
Legislators in more than 20 states have introduced bills this year that would ban transgender girls from competing on girls’ sports teams in public high schools. Yet in almost every case, sponsors cannot cite a single instance in their own state or region where such participation has caused problems.
The Associated Press reached out to two dozen state lawmakers sponsoring such measures around the country as well as the conservative groups supporting them and found only a few times it’s been an issue among the hundreds of thousands of American teenagers who play high school sports.
In South Carolina, for example, Rep. Ashley Trantham said she knew of no transgender athletes competing in the state and was proposing a ban to prevent possible problems in the future. Otherwise, she said during a recent hearing, “the next generation of female athletes in South Carolina may not have a chance to excel.”
In Tennessee, House Speaker Cameron Sexton conceded there may not actually be transgender students now participating in middle and high school sports; he said a bill was necessary so the state could be “proactive.”
Some lawmakers didn’t respond to AP’s queries. Others in places like Mississippi and Montana largely brushed aside the question or pointed to a pair of runners in Connecticut. Between 2017 and 2019, transgender sprinters Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood combined to win 15 championship races, prompting a lawsuit.
https://apnews.com/article/lawmakers-unable-to-cit...
So, Trump made England start to pay their fair share for NATO and such. You guys don't like having to pay. Trump wants America to stand up for itself, but the people sucking on the US teat are angry. Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants storming the borders and Biden will just let them in. More votes for the dems. Forgive all of the illegals already in the country sucking off resources and make them citizens. More votes for them compassionate dems.
Pack the Supreme Court to water down the conservative votes. Make D.C. and Puerto Rico states so they can get the mandatory 2 liberal senate votes.
Trump is arrogant and orange. I live with it, but he has America's best interest at heart. Maybe you guys should stop watching and believing the American "media". Maybe you guys should start standing up for yourselves as well.
Pack the Supreme Court to water down the conservative votes. Make D.C. and Puerto Rico states so they can get the mandatory 2 liberal senate votes.
Trump is arrogant and orange. I live with it, but he has America's best interest at heart. Maybe you guys should stop watching and believing the American "media". Maybe you guys should start standing up for yourselves as well.
A Third former Cuomo aide describes inappropriate workplace treatment.
A former aide of Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he asked her if she had a boyfriend, called her sweetheart, touched her on her lower back at a reception and once kissed her hand when she rose from her desk.
Ana Liss, now 35 years old, served as a policy and operations aide to Mr. Cuomo between 2013 and 2015. She said the actions by Mr. Cuomo were unsolicited and occurred in the first year while she sat at her desk, which was near his office in the Executive Chamber of the New York State Capitol in Albany.
In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Ms. Liss said she initially perceived Mr. Cuomo’s conduct as harmless flirtations. Over time, she said, she has come to see it as patronizing, and she added it diminished her from an educated professional to “just a skirt.”
“It’s not appropriate, really, in any setting,” she said.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/third-former-andrew-c...
A former aide of Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he asked her if she had a boyfriend, called her sweetheart, touched her on her lower back at a reception and once kissed her hand when she rose from her desk.
Ana Liss, now 35 years old, served as a policy and operations aide to Mr. Cuomo between 2013 and 2015. She said the actions by Mr. Cuomo were unsolicited and occurred in the first year while she sat at her desk, which was near his office in the Executive Chamber of the New York State Capitol in Albany.
In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Ms. Liss said she initially perceived Mr. Cuomo’s conduct as harmless flirtations. Over time, she said, she has come to see it as patronizing, and she added it diminished her from an educated professional to “just a skirt.”
“It’s not appropriate, really, in any setting,” she said.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/third-former-andrew-c...
North Carolina’s Republican Party acted quickly last month to censure one of its most senior members, Sen. Richard Burr, for voting to convict President Donald Trump in his second impeachment trial. Burr’s vote was “shocking and disappointing,” said Michael Whatley, chairman of the state party.
But the state GOP has shown no interest in exploring a similar action against one of its youngest elected leaders, Rep. Madison Cawthorn, a pro-Trump freshman who is accused by a number of women of sexual harassment and has a record of making false statements and baseless claims.
“I don’t want to talk about that on the record,” Whatley said twice in a brief phone conversation when asked about Cawthorn.
Similarly, top members of the national Republican Party have said nothing publicly about the Cawthorn case. A spokesman for House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) did not reply to a request for comment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cawthorn-t...
But the state GOP has shown no interest in exploring a similar action against one of its youngest elected leaders, Rep. Madison Cawthorn, a pro-Trump freshman who is accused by a number of women of sexual harassment and has a record of making false statements and baseless claims.
“I don’t want to talk about that on the record,” Whatley said twice in a brief phone conversation when asked about Cawthorn.
Similarly, top members of the national Republican Party have said nothing publicly about the Cawthorn case. A spokesman for House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) did not reply to a request for comment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cawthorn-t...
For the record, the senators who voted for the Covid relief bill represent 41,915,580 more people than the senators who voted against it.
https://www.vox.com/2021/1/6/22215728/senate-anti-...
https://www.vox.com/2021/1/6/22215728/senate-anti-...
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