46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[Al Gorithum]

F#cking tedius. Mods please sort this out please.

[DB_11]

Al Gorithum said:

F#cking tedius. Mods please sort this out please.

So, what part is tedious? Not what you want to hear because someone has a dissenting opinion? Sort it out how?

[JeffreyD]

DB_11 said:

So, what part is tedious? Not what you want to hear because someone has a dissenting opinion? Sort it out how?

Have you got any evidence for your assertions?

[T6 vanman]

hidetheelephants said:

T6 vanman said:

stuff

You cite Tucker Carlson as a source, a man that was successfully defended in court by lawyers arguing that no reasonable person would believe what he was saying.

T6 vanman said:

JeffreyD said:

So where will they say the money is going?

I gave a plausible reason for having the bill read out .... nothing more
I'm not the republican press secretary so whilst I've got better things to do lets have a beer (socially distanced infront of our laptops) and watch McEnany or Tucker next week and we could both discover together where this potential line is being played to..

And there we have another attack dog ... I didn't cite Carlson as a source ... I was saying someone like him would be where to identify where this potential line is being played to

T6 vanman said:

rscott said:

Snipped ... Johnson's insistence on it being read out was simply a timewasting effort.

But to have it read out in full allows it to be documented where the money is going ... when your attack is going to be that less that 20~25% is actually going on Covid release it's a farsighted long term play,
It may not be such a simply timewasting effort.

Byker28i said:

Obscured by other parts of President Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus package, , the child benefit has the makings of a policy revolution. Though framed in technocratic terms as an expansion of an existing tax credit

Byker28i said:

Democrats in the Senate narrowly passed a mammoth coronavirus aid package Saturday morning that is likely to become a landmark for progressive legislation. The $1.9 trillion deal includes a program for the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC), the government-run entity that insures the plans.

After years of trying and failing to pass a fix in Congress, Democrats decided to attach one to the COVID-19 relief plan, arguing it was essential

JeffreyD ... you asked where the money's going .... Neither of these are Covid related .... These should have been submitted and debated on their own merits and not hidden in the Covid bill,

[T6 vanman]

Al Gorithum said:

F#cking tedius. Mods please sort this out please.

Exactly .... I made a non partisan observation on the bill reading and experienced trolling and direct mis-quoting to belittle and cancel my comments,

Finally 2 quotes from Byker demonstrate the validity of my observation of my initial quote,

We could have had a sensible adult discussion
eg..[qu0te=hidetheelephants]
I agree with that take, it is of no practical use and is entirely a political stunt to delay the relief.[/qu0te]

Other opinions could be aired maturely .................. but not on this thread

[paulguitar]

T6 vanman said:

Other opinions could be aired maturely .................. but not on this thread

I think it's the return of what is almost certainly yet another previously banned poster, with a paragraph of weapons-grade bellendery, that has caused the disquiet.

[anonymous-user]

JeffreyD said:

You are very quick to be critical of many posters - what's your take on the post from DB11?

Does he get a free pass because he supports the other side?

If I have a problem with his posts no doubt I'll mention it. I'm sure he can answer for himself.

As for being critical, it's fair to say I and others are doing no more than responding in kind. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for gander; the criticising of the current POTUS on this thread is far more reserved than of Trump by Dem fans and others on the Trump one (me included, btw). The main difference on this thread is the polarity reversal; here you get slated for asking questions of the Dems whereas on the Trump ones the slating was for refusing to condemn Trump.

[paulguitar]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

the criticising of the current POTUS on this thread is far more reserved than of Trump by Dem fans and others on the Trump one .

And why do you think that is? Logic suggests that it might be linked to Biden having done very little to draw significant criticism whereas trump spent almost every day involved in some kind of huge scandal. Sometimes more than one at a time.

[T6 vanman]

paulguitar said:

T6 vanman said:

Other opinions could be aired maturely .................. but not on this thread

I think it's the return of what is almost certainly yet another previously banned poster, with a paragraph of weapons-grade bellendery, that has caused the disquiet.

And this is the problem ..... You can see in the last 5 pages I'm treated as a previously banned poster, for daring to subject the reading of the whole bill was to highlight some of the relief bill money isn't going to Covid activity.

Byker then copy & paste's 2 clear non 'Covid' Democrat projects,

[HM-2]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

the criticising of the current POTUS on this thread is far more reserved than of Trump by Dem fans and others on the Trump one (me included, btw).

That's largely because there's really not that much to criticise. Most of the criticisms that have been levelled in this threat are either trivial, inaccurate or irrelevant. Pointing out that fact doesn't mean you're failing to subject one administration to the same level of scrutiny as another, despite your repeated assertion this is the case.

[JeffreyD]

T6 vanman said:

JeffreyD ... you asked where the money's going .... Neither of these are Covid related .... These should have been submitted and debated on their own merits and not hidden in the Covid bill,

I have to say I am struggling to care.

Just seems like politics to me.

I can't quite understand why certain people have their knickers in a twist over Biden. He just seems middle of the road to me.

And to the poster who claims he is a puppet president - there is far more evidence that Trump was a puppet - did that bother you?

[Noah EV]

HM-2 said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

the criticising of the current POTUS on this thread is far more reserved than of Trump by Dem fans and others on the Trump one (me included, btw).

That's largely because there's really not that much to criticise. Most of the criticisms that have been levelled in this threat are either trivial, inaccurate or irrelevant. Pointing out that fact doesn't mean you're failing to subject one administration to the same level of scrutiny as another, despite your repeated assertion this is the case.

Yawn. Obvious hypocrisy is obvious! Haha!

Size of his hands, (fake!) colour of his skin, physical gait, hair, his wife, insinuations about fancying his own daughter........
Theses things are trivial and irrelevant. Pages and pages of that same old st on that on Trump thread.
Made it very tedious and boring.

[paulguitar]

Noah EV said:

Yawn. Obvious hypocrisy is obvious! Haha!

Size of his hands, (fake!) colour of his skin, physical gait, hair, his wife, insinuations about fancying his own daughter........
Theses things are trivial and irrelevant. Pages and pages of that same old st on that on Trump thread.
Made it very tedious and boring.

trump said that if Ivanka were not his daughter, 'maybe I'd be dating her'. That's weird enough to be neither trivial or irrelevant to many people.

As to the stuff about his comedy appearance, robot wife, etc, I think that stuff provided a bit of light relief from the horror that was the daily reality of his tenure. It was so exhausting dealing with the sheer relentlessness of his incompetence and wrongdoing that having a laugh about his ridiculous hair or appalling makeup provided a bit of levity.

[Noah EV]

paulguitar said:

Noah EV said:

Yawn. Obvious hypocrisy is obvious! Haha!

Size of his hands, (fake!) colour of his skin, physical gait, hair, his wife, insinuations about fancying his own daughter........
Theses things are trivial and irrelevant. Pages and pages of that same old st on that on Trump thread.
Made it very tedious and boring.

trump said that if Ivanka were not his daughter, 'maybe I'd be dating her'. That's weird enough to be neither trivial or irrelevant to many people.

As to the stuff about his comedy appearance, robot wife, etc, I think that stuff provided a bit of light relief from the horror that was the daily reality of his tenure. It was so exhausting dealing with the sheer relentlessness of his incompetence and wrongdoing that having a laugh about his ridiculous hair or appalling makeup provided a bit of levity.

Disagree.
It went way beyond that and a long time after his end. Don't get me wronged, I remember some funny memes and jokes but they were swamped by tedious repetition of the same old garbage on those lines.

[paulguitar]

Noah EV said:

Disagree.
It went way beyond that and a long time after his end. Don't get me wronged, I remember some funny memes and jokes but they were swamped by tedious repetition of the same old garbage on those lines.

It's fair enough that it could be considered petty, I but happily confess that I was often amused when somehow a new name was thought up using some alternative way of describing 'orange' followed by a word describing him in some way. Some of these descriptions were genuinely imaginative and amusing to me.

As I said though, the horror of the trump era often made it necessary to lighten to mood.

[Noah EV]

Earthdweller said:

DB_11 said:

Because it's not "Biden" making all of these policy decisions. It's Obama, Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi, and the money people (Zuckerberg, Soros...). Poor Creepy Sleepy Joe is barely able to get out of bed every morning. They won't let him answer any questions (i.e. gets cut off when he tries to answer), and he always has a handler nearby (Jill, Kamala, AOC). The poor guy just babble and dribbles on sometimes. He has pushed off a "State of the Union" address beyond any other president (1st term).

There are a couple of take outs from that I feel should be discussed

Biden has yet to give a Press conference and field any questions

He has not addressed the houses as is historically precedent on appointment, and seemingly has no plans to do so

Harris seemingly is doing things that a VP would not ordinarily do

The Press, for some reason seem to be very “hands off” any probing or critical questioning

Whilst not having to listen 24/7 to Trump is a blessing we seem now to have an invisible President who is not being taken to task for being missing in action

Maybe I’m wrong and Biden is totally on the ball with his finger firmly on the pulse or maybe the American public are being hoodwinked and he is merely a puppet being played, and protected by others who are really running the show

I hope it’s not the above because that would be very bad for democracy but it’s increasingly looking that way

Can you convince me that Biden is 100% on the ball and in charge ?

I would doubted that Harris is the brains behind a Biden front. I don't see her as having the skills needed for it.

Biden looked bewildered and out of it walking up the steps on the inauguration day.
I'd forgive him if that was his emotions though.

[kowalski655]

T6 vanman said:

JeffreyD ... you asked where the money's going .... Neither of these are Covid related .... These should have been submitted and debated on their own merits and not hidden in the Covid bill,

The bill isnt just about Covid-else it would just be sorting out the injections & getting them into people,plus masks, shutdowns etc. Its about getting the economy & the country back on track after a nightmare year & helping people who have lost jobs, need support, cover failing pensions & a million and one other things needed to get the country back on track, and not just feeding billions to Trump supporters like the last lot did

[DB_11]

JeffreyD said:

I have to say I am struggling to care.

Just seems like politics to me.

I can't quite understand why certain people have their knickers in a twist over Biden. He just seems middle of the road to me.

And to the poster who claims he is a puppet president - there is far more evidence that Trump was a puppet - did that bother you?

So, what don't you see about Biden being a puppet? He IS middle of the road. So are most inanimate objects like bath towels, candles, apples, and coffee tables. His handlers intercede and answer his questions. He spent most of his campaign "hiding in his basement". He so far has refused to address congress - his masters don't want him alone, hemming and hawing at the podium without a handler there to rescue him. Why do you think that Pelosi brought up modifying the 25th amendment back around November? It wasn't to remove Trump, but to give Biden a few moments in the sun, then to remove him. The democrats have brought up taking away the nuke codes FROM THEIR OWN PRESIDENT. Biden clearly has cognitive issues and dementia.

It's all been scripted. The democratic run cities and states had their domains shut down tight: the republicans pleaded with them to stop ruining businesses and lives. Right around the time of inauguration, they all claimed it was time to open up their cities and states otherwise their would be no businesses left to open. Keep thing shut down to make Trump look bad, then open things up when Biden gets in to make it appear that Biden fixed everything. Scripted and executed to a tee.

Trump was no puppet. He made HIS thoughts known. He is sometimes crude and has no filter on his speech. He is arrogant sometimes. But he really supports, believes in, and loves America.

The American mantra of "Rugged Individualism" is dead. We've clearly becoming a welfare state. Just exist and the state will feed and clothe you as long as you vote for us democrats. Let all of the illegal immigrant in and feed and clothe them for votes. Lower the voting age for votes. Add in DC and Puerto Rico as states. For what? Votes! Pack the Supreme court with liberals for influence.

[paulguitar]

DB_11 said:

Trump was no puppet. He made HIS thoughts known. He is sometimes crude and has no filter on his speech. He is arrogant sometimes. But he really supports, believes in, and loves America.

So much ignorance all in one post, quite amazing.

There seems little point in correcting the various inaccuracies and lies regarding Biden because you appear to be radicalized by Fox/OAN and therefore aren't going to change your position.

Regarding trump, he gives every indication of hating America. Did you notice that he recently incited an attack on his own country after having repeatedly lied about its election?

Oh and he is a total puppet, quite clearly beholden to Putin, Salman, and others.

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 8th March 22:10

[dandarez]

paulguitar said:

DB_11 said:

Trump was no puppet. He made HIS thoughts known. He is sometimes crude and has no filter on his speech. He is arrogant sometimes. But he really supports, believes in, and loves America.

So much ignorance all in one post, quite amazing.

There seems little point in correcting the various inaccuracies and lies regarding Biden because you appear to be radicalized by Fox/OAN and therefore aren't going to change your position.

Regarding trump, he gives every indication of hating America. Did you notice that he recently incited an attack on his own country after having repeatedly lied about its election?

Oh and he is a total puppet, quite clearly beholden to Putin, Salmon, and others.