46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
166 MM Barchetta said:
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
As I said above, I'd have preferred Sanders to Biden, but your post is riddled with inaccuracies. It's not a matter of the points being dismissed as 'Trumpett', rather that they can mostly be dismissed as b
ks. But really, what's the point, clearly your mind is made up and that's that. Someone else may have the patience to dismantle them, but I'm going to have a ride on my bike along the river.
166 MM Barchetta said:
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok )
It's like comparing a murderer to somebody who breaks the speed limit and then implying that it's broadly the same thing. What's even more ridiculous is that in a lot of cases it's the murderer accusing the other guy of breaking the speed limit, to deflect from his own rancid behaviour, and his gullible supporters suck it up without any challenge.Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok )
tangerine_sedge said:
I don't think there are many on here who never criticise Biden, it's just difficult to criticise someone who seems competent, honest and focused on making the US a better and fairer place.
Anyway onto your interesting question : I'm centre right by UK politics, and very left by US standards, so firmly at the Bernie end of the Dems. I'll start criticising Biden when he starts acting like a dick.
IMO prior to Trump (and regardless of political affiliations) Presidents didn't usually act as dicks. I'm not suggesting they acted with the best of intentions or that some of them weren't corrupt. But none of them acted like a spoilt 5 year old constantly throwing his toys out of the pram.Anyway onto your interesting question : I'm centre right by UK politics, and very left by US standards, so firmly at the Bernie end of the Dems. I'll start criticising Biden when he starts acting like a dick.
166 MM Barchetta said:
In my opinion, I don’t think is so much of “defending him valiantly” as it is defending themselves as it slowly dawns on them that it’s the same sewer politics with a different party.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok )
Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
The problem you have is that Biden doesn't have a questionable past, despite Trump's every effort to create one and that Biden definately isn't the same as Trump.Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok )
Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
You're holding onto fantasies and are continually confounded as to why people aren't sharing them.
The problem here is you, you're unwilling to admit that Bidenis doing a good job because it means admitting how bad a job Trump did.
It's similar to when Obama was in power. If Biden cured cancer, you would complain about how he put all the doctors out of work.
You don't want a reasonable discourse on Biden because you are not taking a reasonable position.... Then crying victim when someone calls this out.
I'm all for critisism, and no one should be more critical than his supporters... But critism must be based on reality, not a "HuRr DuRr they're all the same" fantasy.
166 MM Barchetta said:
In my opinion, I don’t think is so much of “defending him valiantly” as it is defending themselves as it slowly dawns on them that it’s the same sewer politics with a different party.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok ) [b] Biden, along with other world leaders, publicly pressed for Ukraine to replace a prosecutor who refused to investigate corruption - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/1...
Very different to Trump's secretive mission to gather dirt to use against Biden.
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Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok ) [b] Biden, along with other world leaders, publicly pressed for Ukraine to replace a prosecutor who refused to investigate corruption - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/1...
Very different to Trump's secretive mission to gather dirt to use against Biden.
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Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
rscott said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
In my opinion, I don’t think is so much of “defending him valiantly” as it is defending themselves as it slowly dawns on them that it’s the same sewer politics with a different party.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok ) [b] Biden, along with other world leaders, publicly pressed for Ukraine to replace a prosecutor who refused to investigate corruption - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/1...
Very different to Trump's secretive mission to gather dirt to use against Biden.
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Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok ) [b] Biden, along with other world leaders, publicly pressed for Ukraine to replace a prosecutor who refused to investigate corruption - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/1...
Very different to Trump's secretive mission to gather dirt to use against Biden.
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Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
paulguitar said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
As I said above, I'd have preferred Sanders to Biden, but your post is riddled with inaccuracies. It's not a matter of the points being dismissed as 'Trumpett', rather that they can mostly be dismissed as bks. But really, what's the point, clearly your mind is made up and that's that. Someone else may have the patience to dismantle them, but I'm going to have a ride on my bike along the river.My opinions on the man are my views on him, not inaccurate as they are just opinions, I didn’t have you down as one of the posters who prefer to mix the two.
Countdown said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok )
It's like comparing a murderer to somebody who breaks the speed limit and then implying that it's broadly the same thing. What's even more ridiculous is that in a lot of cases it's the murderer accusing the other guy of breaking the speed limit, to deflect from his own rancid behaviour, and his gullible supporters suck it up without any challenge.Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok )
It’s no about the gravity, is about the morality of it.
Biden himself is quoted as saying that in cases of accusations made by women the woman should be believed, except of course in his it seems......
captain_cynic said:
The problem you have is that Biden doesn't have a questionable past, despite Trump's every effort to create one and that Biden definately isn't the same as Trump.
You're holding onto fantasies and are continually confounded as to why people aren't sharing them.
The problem here is you, you're unwilling to admit that Bidenis doing a good job because it means admitting how bad a job Trump did.
It's similar to when Obama was in power. If Biden cured cancer, you would complain about how he put all the doctors out of work.
You don't want a reasonable discourse on Biden because you are not taking a reasonable position.... Then crying victim when someone calls this out.
I'm all for critisism, and no one should be more critical than his supporters... But critism must be based on reality, not a "HuRr DuRr they're all the same" fantasy.
The irony in your post is simply stunning.You're holding onto fantasies and are continually confounded as to why people aren't sharing them.
The problem here is you, you're unwilling to admit that Bidenis doing a good job because it means admitting how bad a job Trump did.
It's similar to when Obama was in power. If Biden cured cancer, you would complain about how he put all the doctors out of work.
You don't want a reasonable discourse on Biden because you are not taking a reasonable position.... Then crying victim when someone calls this out.
I'm all for critisism, and no one should be more critical than his supporters... But critism must be based on reality, not a "HuRr DuRr they're all the same" fantasy.
Biden doesn’t have a questionable past......ffs.....that says it all about “having a reasonable discussion
I never said he was doing a bad job, I said he, in my belief, will do a job, the basics that an experienced politician can do, in order to steer the USA away from the mess that Trump has left.
I do not however, at any point believe he is capable of more than that, that’s also why I see it as crucial he has both houses in order to get things done.
I’m fascinated as to how my position is unreasonable, is it because I’m not fawning over Biden?
Your last sentence frankly is risible in the context of his topic, what have I posted about Biden that is “fantasy”?
It all there, on record, his votes, his speeches, his bills, nothing made up but I guess that’s not to your liking.
Clearly, my criticism of Biden is unacceptable, it seems it’s fantasy and full of holes.....hmmm?
Like I said, anything I’ve stated about Bidens actions is out there on record, I’ve not spun it, it’s there in black and white or on film.
Clearly the few posts this morning only serve, for me, to confirm my thoughts.......
Like I said, anything I’ve stated about Bidens actions is out there on record, I’ve not spun it, it’s there in black and white or on film.
Clearly the few posts this morning only serve, for me, to confirm my thoughts.......
166 MM Barchetta said:
rscott said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
In my opinion, I don’t think is so much of “defending him valiantly” as it is defending themselves as it slowly dawns on them that it’s the same sewer politics with a different party.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok ) [b] Biden, along with other world leaders, publicly pressed for Ukraine to replace a prosecutor who refused to investigate corruption - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/1...
Very different to Trump's secretive mission to gather dirt to use against Biden.
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Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
Remember, this group of posters have, and still are, venting hate over on the Trump thread both at him, and anyone that questions them, constantly labelling people as Trump supporters for even offering a different opinion.
Now they are defending Biden to the hilt because he’s the replacement hey we’re crowing about and it’s all about saving face, hence the monotonous attacks against either poster of source instead of content on here.
Trump has sexual misconduct allegations, same Biden ( but hey not as bad as trump so ok )
Trump represents and has links to far right and racist elements, same Biden. ( but hey, it was a longtime ago so ok, is not like he voted against racial integration in schools, or a nice big fence at the Mexican border......oh wait......best not mention Strom Thurmond either )
Trump investigation for blackmailing Ukraine, same Biden and even boasted about doing it ( but hey, it was only to get a judge removed and replied by a “solid” candidate, not to get dirt on someone so ok ) [b] Biden, along with other world leaders, publicly pressed for Ukraine to replace a prosecutor who refused to investigate corruption - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/1...
Very different to Trump's secretive mission to gather dirt to use against Biden.
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Biden is a career politician with a questionable past, even more so when put into context of today’s times, as so many want to do when they go on the attack.
Do I think he’s right, to go forward and develop America, absolutely not, to right the wrongs of the imbecile Trump and turn things around yes, absolutely, his experience is needed 100%, but that experience isn’t whiter than white, seems a few on here struggle with that, or are so utterly obsessed with Trump that they don’t want to see it.
Do I find the constant personal attacks of anyone with a different opinion about Biden tiresome, yep, but if it’s what helps some get over the last 4 years of crap then hey ho, crack on.
Oh and don’t worry, I expect all my points about Biden to be either dismissed as a “Trumpette” or belittled, but it’s all there to be found very easily.
US Ambassador in 2015 complained that the prosecutor wasn't doing his job - https://web.archive.org/web/20150926092251/http://...
British prosecution of a Ukrainian failed because this same prosecutor failed to supply requested documentation - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/the-...
The IMF also publicly threatened to block $40b in aid to Ukraine unless they addressed the corruption issues within their government - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-... . So it's clear Biden wasn't acting alone on this.
EU ambassador to Ukraine fully supported the move to get rid of the prosecutor - https://www.facebook.com/EUDelegationUkraine/photo...
166 MM Barchetta said:
Clearly, my criticism of Biden is unacceptable, it seems it’s fantasy and full of holes.....hmmm?
Like I said, anything I’ve stated about Bidens actions is out there on record, I’ve not spun it, it’s there in black and white or on film.
Clearly the few posts this morning only serve, for me, to confirm my thoughts.......
Seems to me that you're just here to (a) start an argument and (b) divert the thread away from Bidens successful first 100 days Like I said, anything I’ve stated about Bidens actions is out there on record, I’ve not spun it, it’s there in black and white or on film.
Clearly the few posts this morning only serve, for me, to confirm my thoughts.......
tangerine_sedge said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
Clearly, my criticism of Biden is unacceptable, it seems it’s fantasy and full of holes.....hmmm?
Like I said, anything I’ve stated about Bidens actions is out there on record, I’ve not spun it, it’s there in black and white or on film.
Clearly the few posts this morning only serve, for me, to confirm my thoughts.......
Seems to me that you're just here to (a) start an argument and (b) divert the thread away from Bidens successful first 100 days Like I said, anything I’ve stated about Bidens actions is out there on record, I’ve not spun it, it’s there in black and white or on film.
Clearly the few posts this morning only serve, for me, to confirm my thoughts.......
If "they're all the same" why haven't Democrat controlled states introduces legislation specifically designed to limit voting in Republican controlled areas?
You know, like Republican controlled states have been doing.
PHUSER1 said:
Hahahaha!
That doesn't exactly represent a Biden triumph does it? He's way down the list. Is Trump the new benchmark or something? Joe won't get by only by being better than Trump.
A quessy for some of those who don't seem to accept any criticism of Biden - if you were to examine your social and political beliefs and then compared them to the American makeup, would you consider yourself to be what they'd call a progressive? Or something else?
I'm interested in your motivations for defending him so valiantly.
Joe will get by only being better than Trump. That is all he had to do to win the presidency, and it is highly unlikely he will run again IMO. It's a low bar, I agree, but for him personally that is all he had to do to win.That doesn't exactly represent a Biden triumph does it? He's way down the list. Is Trump the new benchmark or something? Joe won't get by only by being better than Trump.
A quessy for some of those who don't seem to accept any criticism of Biden - if you were to examine your social and political beliefs and then compared them to the American makeup, would you consider yourself to be what they'd call a progressive? Or something else?
I'm interested in your motivations for defending him so valiantly.
I don't think it is true that people are unaccepting of accurate criticism. There will be plenty.
gregs656 said:
I don't think it is true that people are unaccepting of accurate criticism. There will be plenty.
And this is the nub of the issue- the regular moaners on this thread finding anything and everything to complain about regardless of whether it's relevant or true, them claim anyone who fails to agree with their trivial, irrelevant IR incomplete contentions is a "Biden shill". It's very silly.Thanks to all for the variety of responses to my question.
It is interesting to see that a few have stated they'd have preferred to have seen Sanders get the job.
That would have been an exciting scenario to me and I'm a Conservative supporter when it comes to British politics. Our centre is left of their left or at least the balance of our society, when it comes to major things like welfare and healthcare, is as far left as their idea of a progressive left.
The progressives in the Dem party are pushing for better on things like debt forgiveness, the border issue and the minimum wage. That's some of the kind of thing to watch if you're a progressive and indications may be that progressives may end up dissatisfied with what Biden achieves there.
At some point it's important to exit the orbit of Trump as, like a child leaving home, you have to stop blaming and whining about your parents after a while and take responsibility yourself from that point forward!
What Biden does now is up to him, reverting back to Trump at every opportunity in this discussion seems like a poor get out and is really boring now!
It is interesting to see that a few have stated they'd have preferred to have seen Sanders get the job.
That would have been an exciting scenario to me and I'm a Conservative supporter when it comes to British politics. Our centre is left of their left or at least the balance of our society, when it comes to major things like welfare and healthcare, is as far left as their idea of a progressive left.
The progressives in the Dem party are pushing for better on things like debt forgiveness, the border issue and the minimum wage. That's some of the kind of thing to watch if you're a progressive and indications may be that progressives may end up dissatisfied with what Biden achieves there.
At some point it's important to exit the orbit of Trump as, like a child leaving home, you have to stop blaming and whining about your parents after a while and take responsibility yourself from that point forward!
What Biden does now is up to him, reverting back to Trump at every opportunity in this discussion seems like a poor get out and is really boring now!
PHUSER1 said:
Thanks to all for the variety of responses to my question.
It is interesting to see that a few have stated they'd have preferred to have seen Sanders get the job.
That would have been an exciting scenario to me and I'm a Conservative supporter when it comes to British politics. Our centre is left of their left or at least the balance of our society, when it comes to major things like welfare and healthcare, is as far left as their idea of a progressive left.
The progressives in the Dem party are pushing for better on things like debt forgiveness, the border issue and the minimum wage. That's some of the kind of thing to watch if you're a progressive and indications may be that progressives may end up dissatisfied with what Biden achieves there.
At some point it's important to exit the orbit of Trump as, like a child leaving home, you have to stop blaming and whining about your parents after a while and take responsibility yourself from that point forward!
What Biden does now is up to him, reverting back to Trump at every opportunity in this discussion seems like a poor get out and is really boring now!
With respect that suggests a complete lack of understanding of US politics. The vote margins available to Biden in Congress are razor thin. If he leans to far towards the progressives he risks not getting the bill through. He also risks the Trumpettes crowing about "Communism and Socialism and the Far Left taking over" which risks losings eats in the mid-terms.It is interesting to see that a few have stated they'd have preferred to have seen Sanders get the job.
That would have been an exciting scenario to me and I'm a Conservative supporter when it comes to British politics. Our centre is left of their left or at least the balance of our society, when it comes to major things like welfare and healthcare, is as far left as their idea of a progressive left.
The progressives in the Dem party are pushing for better on things like debt forgiveness, the border issue and the minimum wage. That's some of the kind of thing to watch if you're a progressive and indications may be that progressives may end up dissatisfied with what Biden achieves there.
At some point it's important to exit the orbit of Trump as, like a child leaving home, you have to stop blaming and whining about your parents after a while and take responsibility yourself from that point forward!
What Biden does now is up to him, reverting back to Trump at every opportunity in this discussion seems like a poor get out and is really boring now!
What Biden i doing is compromising, like adults do.
Countdown said:
PHUSER1 said:
Thanks to all for the variety of responses to my question.
It is interesting to see that a few have stated they'd have preferred to have seen Sanders get the job.
That would have been an exciting scenario to me and I'm a Conservative supporter when it comes to British politics. Our centre is left of their left or at least the balance of our society, when it comes to major things like welfare and healthcare, is as far left as their idea of a progressive left.
The progressives in the Dem party are pushing for better on things like debt forgiveness, the border issue and the minimum wage. That's some of the kind of thing to watch if you're a progressive and indications may be that progressives may end up dissatisfied with what Biden achieves there.
At some point it's important to exit the orbit of Trump as, like a child leaving home, you have to stop blaming and whining about your parents after a while and take responsibility yourself from that point forward!
What Biden does now is up to him, reverting back to Trump at every opportunity in this discussion seems like a poor get out and is really boring now!
With respect that suggests a complete lack of understanding of US politics. The vote margins available to Biden in Congress are razor thin. If he leans to far towards the progressives he risks not getting the bill through. He also risks the Trumpettes crowing about "Communism and Socialism and the Far Left taking over" which risks losings eats in the mid-terms.It is interesting to see that a few have stated they'd have preferred to have seen Sanders get the job.
That would have been an exciting scenario to me and I'm a Conservative supporter when it comes to British politics. Our centre is left of their left or at least the balance of our society, when it comes to major things like welfare and healthcare, is as far left as their idea of a progressive left.
The progressives in the Dem party are pushing for better on things like debt forgiveness, the border issue and the minimum wage. That's some of the kind of thing to watch if you're a progressive and indications may be that progressives may end up dissatisfied with what Biden achieves there.
At some point it's important to exit the orbit of Trump as, like a child leaving home, you have to stop blaming and whining about your parents after a while and take responsibility yourself from that point forward!
What Biden does now is up to him, reverting back to Trump at every opportunity in this discussion seems like a poor get out and is really boring now!
What Biden i doing is compromising, like adults do.
If the Trumpettes crow about communism and all that, who are they crowing to? The people.
If Biden really wants something badly enough he also needs to speak directly to the people. He needs to campaign, he needs to sell the people the idea to
beat the Trumpettes at their own game.
Donald got in by connecting with the American people as a good salesman, regardless of whether he was actually going to deliver.
Ronald Reagan addressed the people directly and that helped put additional pressure on his political opponents at times when they were hindering progress.
It's all well and good saying they're frustrated by the GOPPERS, sitting on their hands and shrugging their shoulders when nothing changes. That's all too easy and won't wash in the long run.
Countdown said:
I think a skilled politician is one that can get a $2tn relief bill passed when his oppnents wanted it to be c$500bn.
The other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
Probably his opponents giving him enough rope. Come the next election the bill will be due and they will play on thatThe other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
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