46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
menousername said:
Probably his opponents giving him enough rope. Come the next election the bill will be due and they will play on that
Possibly, however a significant majority of the population appears to be strongly in favour of it.If it results in the economy recovering much quicker than it's going to make things much harder for the GOP.
Many of Bidens policies, like the minimum wage, Medicare expansion,etc, are very popular with the people of America, but the GOP vote against them regardless
I'm sure the poor people of KY , of which there are many, would love $15/hour, but McConnell f
ks them over. But they still vote for him, same as Manchin 
I'm sure the poor people of KY , of which there are many, would love $15/hour, but McConnell f
ks them over. But they still vote for him, same as Manchin Countdown said:
I think a skilled politician is one that can get a $2tn relief bill passed when his oppnents wanted it to be c$500bn.
The other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
You mean he doesn't support the minimum wage, doesn't support student debt forgiveness, doesn't support tearing down Trump's wall, doesn't support improving subsidised healthcare for all?The other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
You say he's skilled but it's not that he can't get those things done, it's just he doesn't want to?
kowalski655 said:
I'm sure the poor people of KY , of which there are many, would love $15/hour, but McConnell fks them over. But they still vote for him, same as Manchin
It's a weird one, isn't it? Ideological dogma seems to trump rational self-interest when it comes to many of these voters. You'd think they'd be for policies that increase their wealth and reduce inequality, but their staunch opposition to them repeats tired myths invented by the wealthy to try and justifying not having more egalitarian policies.ks them over. But they still vote for him, same as Manchin You have families who have lived on the breadline for generations who decry policies specifically designed to benefit them as "communist" and repeat fantasies about how the US is perfect because "anyone can become wealthy" whilst slowly dying of preventable diseases they can't afford treatment for.
ACCYSTAN said:
The corporations don’t want to
Biden has been loyal to his corporate masters his whole career, nothing has changed.
How do you countenance statements like this with Biden's actual policy agenda which is highly redistributive and imposes the largest increases in taxes for the wealthy and corporations in decades?Biden has been loyal to his corporate masters his whole career, nothing has changed.
If those on the right are to be believed Biden's cabinet are cryptosocialists seeking to dismantle America capitalism and are staunchly anti-business. If you're to be believed, they're all just corporate shills. The two are mutually exclusive.
Edited by HM-2 on Saturday 1st May 08:22
PHUSER1 said:
Where has Accystan's post gone? Just popped back on to continue reading it and it's gone already?
The blocked me from the trump threads for showing how hypocritical it was to ignore the fact the democrats and republicans are 2 faces of the corporate masters. The admins on here by there actions are showing the bias in their politics and inability to debate with evidence
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Saturday 1st May 08:41
ACCYSTAN said:
The admins on here by there actions are showing the bias in their politics and inability to debate with evidence
Actually given that Byker got banned from this thread for allegedly the same exactly reasoning I'd say they're being pretty even handed. But of course you'll ignore this to fixate on things that impact you and make out like it's done kind of agenda.Edited by HM-2 on Saturday 1st May 08:49
PHUSER1 said:
Would you at least be allowed to post back the link to the SALT subject you were talking about?
Surehttps://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-heroic-congressi...
I have had an email from pistonheads, apparently my post was removed because
‘ Suggest you post a small, relevant part of the blog rather than the whole thing’
My opinion is the whole article was relevant, the admins opinion is different.
Easier to delete than to debate,
menousername said:
Countdown said:
I think a skilled politician is one that can get a $2tn relief bill passed when his oppnents wanted it to be c$500bn.
The other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
Probably his opponents giving him enough rope. Come the next election the bill will be due and they will play on thatThe other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
?PHUSER1 said:
Countdown said:
I think a skilled politician is one that can get a $2tn relief bill passed when his oppnents wanted it to be c$500bn.
The other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
You mean he doesn't support the minimum wage, doesn't support student debt forgiveness, doesn't support tearing down Trump's wall, doesn't support improving subsidised healthcare for all?The other thing is maybe he doesn't support the agenda of the likes of Sanders and Warren and is genuinely more centrist?
You say he's skilled but it's not that he can't get those things done, it's just he doesn't want to?
Biden wanted a $15 minimum wage in the stimulus bill but was stymied on it by the Parliamentarian. Biden has stopped all construction on the border wall, cancelled contracts and $15 billion is to be returned to the DOD. Hardly any was built so there's not much to tear down. Biden did not campaign on Medicare for all and is actually against it so he's totally consistent on that. Biden is in favor of some student debt forgiveness but not to the extent that some progressives are.
All US politics is local at the end of the day. The senate is locked at 50/50 but certain senators who are up for re election next year are very vulnerable. Joe Manchin is in West Virginia. He's an anomaly, a Democrat in a red state. Trump won 68.6% of the vote in WV last year, Biden 29.6%. Manchin has to steer a line that is very narrow to have a chance. Joe Donnelly in Indiana faced the same challenge in 2018 and lost by 6 points to a right wing republican. Biden's influence, like that of any president only goes so far. All elected politicians have one central objective - getting re elected.
ACCYSTAN said:
PHUSER1 said:
Would you at least be allowed to post back the link to the SALT subject you were talking about?
Surehttps://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-heroic-congressi...
I have had an email from pistonheads, apparently my post was removed because
‘ Suggest you post a small, relevant part of the blog rather than the whole thing’
My opinion is the whole article was relevant, the admins opinion is different.
Easier to delete than to debate,
Thanks for the link; an interesting dilemma for Biden. Does he :
(1) ignore it and let it continue, even if it primarily impacts wealthy Dems.
(2) roll it back and face the headlines of tax breaks for the wealthy.
(3) roll it out further to all states regardless of their budget status.
(4) roll it out further to all states, but at a lower tax take. <-- this what I'd do, it plays well to the left of the party, and reduces the burden on the rich Dems.
It'll be interesting to see what he does...
ACCYSTAN said:
I have had an email from pistonheads, apparently my post was removed because
‘ Suggest you post a small, relevant part of the blog rather than the whole thing’
My opinion is the whole article was relevant, the admins opinion is different.
Easier to delete than to debate,
It's one of the PH rules that we are not supposed to paste in from news sites, it's not because anyone has disagreed with you or they are trying to stifle debate.‘ Suggest you post a small, relevant part of the blog rather than the whole thing’
My opinion is the whole article was relevant, the admins opinion is different.
Easier to delete than to debate,
tangerine_sedge said:
Link to aclu.org on voter id problems
Apart from most states which allow voting with a SSN in the absence of a photo ID. You don’t need a photo ID. If you are poor enough not to have photo ID you almost certainly have a social security number.people who know this stuff and aren't just banned returnee trolls said:
Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote
Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
Tl;dr voter id descriminates against the poor.Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
Edited by tangerine_sedge on Thursday 29th April 18:07
Liokault said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Link to aclu.org on voter id problems
Apart from most states which allow voting with a SSN in the absence of a photo ID. You don’t need a photo ID. If you are poor enough not to have photo ID you almost certainly have a social security number.people who know this stuff and aren't just banned returnee trolls said:
Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote
Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
Tl;dr voter id descriminates against the poor.Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
Edited by tangerine_sedge on Thursday 29th April 18:07
Liokault said:
Apart from most states which allow voting with a SSN in the absence of a photo ID. You don’t need a photo ID. If you are poor enough not to have photo ID you almost certainly have a social security number.
That's incorrect. And in any case, the new draconian ID laws have been bought in by certain states on a targeted basis specifically to suppress the vote amongst communities that disproportionately vote democrat. And the voter suppression tactics go way further than unconstitutional voter ID laws. Fortunately most of their attempts are being thwarted in the courts due to the great work of Mark Elias and others.If everyone who was entitled to vote had unfettered access to do so the GOP would be finished and they understand that very well. Hence the ever more desperate attempts to prevent that happening. GA was a huge wake up call.
unrepentant said:
Liokault said:
Apart from most states which allow voting with a SSN in the absence of a photo ID. You don’t need a photo ID. If you are poor enough not to have photo ID you almost certainly have a social security number.
That's incorrect. And in any case, the new draconian ID laws have been bought in by certain states on a targeted basis specifically to suppress the vote amongst communities that disproportionately vote democrat. And the voter suppression tactics go way further than unconstitutional voter ID laws. Fortunately most of their attempts are being thwarted in the courts due to the great work of Mark Elias and others.If everyone who was entitled to vote had unfettered access to do so the GOP would be finished and they understand that very well. Hence the ever more desperate attempts to prevent that happening. GA was a huge wake up call.
I really don't understand people- particularly British people- who make such obviously ignorant comments on subjects such as this. You can kind of excuse it for Americans who might not know any better as they're subjected to syndicated bulls
t and disinformation 24/7 from vast swathes of the US media landscape, but here in the UK you actually have to go intentionally seek out this drivel.tangerine_sedge said:
Ah! PH towers don't like huge cut 'n paste jobs, I think the lawyers get twitchy
Thanks for the link; an interesting dilemma for Biden. Does he :
(1) ignore it and let it continue, even if it primarily impacts wealthy Dems.
(2) roll it back and face the headlines of tax breaks for the wealthy.
(3) roll it out further to all states regardless of their budget status.
(4) roll it out further to all states, but at a lower tax take. <-- this what I'd do, it plays well to the left of the party, and reduces the burden on the rich Dems.
It'll be interesting to see what he does...
For clarity the $10k cap on property tax (council tax) deduction is nationwide, not specific to any particular state.Thanks for the link; an interesting dilemma for Biden. Does he :
(1) ignore it and let it continue, even if it primarily impacts wealthy Dems.
(2) roll it back and face the headlines of tax breaks for the wealthy.
(3) roll it out further to all states regardless of their budget status.
(4) roll it out further to all states, but at a lower tax take. <-- this what I'd do, it plays well to the left of the party, and reduces the burden on the rich Dems.
It'll be interesting to see what he does...
It’s just that democratic states and areas (cities) have the highest property values, so in turn pay the highest property taxes. Paying well over $10k+ a year for property tax is not at all unusual, so the $10k cap on the deduction affects many many people, overwhelmingly in wealthy democratic areas.
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