Brexit - was it worth it?
Discussion
The final stages of the Brexit drama are reaching their conclusion as the post transition period deal is being negotiated. Soon we will know what awaits the U.K. from 1 Jan 2021. Although to be honest it is probably just the beginning of the next phase as the U.K. has to start to adjust to life fully outside the EU.
What is slightly depressing is that I’m not convinced we will ever know whether it was worthwhile. I have just gone back over the arguments for and against Brexit and excluding the emotional ones (take back control) most arguments on both sides seem very difficult to prove and reality provides enough wriggle room to undermine any argument eg if all the car manufacturers leave the U.K. they might have done so even if we stayed within the EU.
Personally I think it will be a net negative for me and my family as we were thinking of living part of the time once retired in the EU. It might still be possible but I suspect it won’t be as easy. We managed to move to NZ last year but it was very difficult, very expensive and had I been a bit older would have been impossible.
What is slightly depressing is that I’m not convinced we will ever know whether it was worthwhile. I have just gone back over the arguments for and against Brexit and excluding the emotional ones (take back control) most arguments on both sides seem very difficult to prove and reality provides enough wriggle room to undermine any argument eg if all the car manufacturers leave the U.K. they might have done so even if we stayed within the EU.
Personally I think it will be a net negative for me and my family as we were thinking of living part of the time once retired in the EU. It might still be possible but I suspect it won’t be as easy. We managed to move to NZ last year but it was very difficult, very expensive and had I been a bit older would have been impossible.
visitinglondon said:
Mods - do we really need yet another thread for the Remoaner drama queens?
Probably the biggest change to the U.K. economy and politics for the last 50 years and the process of leaving has only just started. But you are right we should probably stop talking about it. Esceptico said:
visitinglondon said:
Mods - do we really need yet another thread for the Remoaner drama queens?
Probably the biggest change to the U.K. economy and politics for the last 50 years and the process of leaving has only just started. But you are right we should probably stop talking about it. Esceptico said:
visitinglondon said:
Mods - do we really need yet another thread for the Remoaner drama queens?
Probably the biggest change to the U.K. economy and politics for the last 50 years and the process of leaving has only just started. But you are right we should probably stop talking about it. Covid schmovid. Considering what was promised & lapped up by gullible punters, global Britain, sovereignty pie aplenty, NHS overflowing with cash, all the utter b
ks compared with the actuality of fundamental structural change fumbled by a government that is vote leave in all but name & so afraid of dissent that it consists entirely of lackeys chosen for and only for unswerving loyalty, unable or incapable of facing up reality. Then no, it wasn't worth it.
It wasn't worth a cost in excess of our entire membership contribution to get to this point
It wasn't worth fundamentally eroding trust in Britain by reneging on signed treaties
It wasn't worth concreting over swathes of Kent
It wasn't worth risking the union
It wasn't worth dividing the nation to the point of permanence
You would have to be the actual epitome of the swivel eyed loony to have come this far & still think this bullst project built on lies & deceit was ever worth the bother. Apart form that, sure, why not?
ks compared with the actuality of fundamental structural change fumbled by a government that is vote leave in all but name & so afraid of dissent that it consists entirely of lackeys chosen for and only for unswerving loyalty, unable or incapable of facing up reality. Then no, it wasn't worth it.It wasn't worth a cost in excess of our entire membership contribution to get to this point
It wasn't worth fundamentally eroding trust in Britain by reneging on signed treaties
It wasn't worth concreting over swathes of Kent
It wasn't worth risking the union
It wasn't worth dividing the nation to the point of permanence
You would have to be the actual epitome of the swivel eyed loony to have come this far & still think this bulls
t project built on lies & deceit was ever worth the bother. Apart form that, sure, why not?Esceptico said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
I think we've just had the biggest change to the UK economy..it wasn't Brexit
Hopefully Covid is temporary whereas Brexit’s impacts will have a more permanent influence.Covid will likely remain an endemic disease albeit killing far less than it does now as populations build immunity.
The black hole these lockdowns have put us in won't be paid off in my lifetime, and the government don't seem to have finished shaking the magic money tree yet.
Esceptico said:
Personally I think it will be a net negative for me and my family as we were thinking of living part of the time once retired in the EU. It might still be possible but I suspect it won’t be as easy. We managed to move to NZ last year but it was very difficult, very expensive and had I been a bit older would have been impossible.
You’ve moved to NZ but worry about Brexit? Seriously...Brexit will be a disaster. 30 days to go and companies still don’t know what the rules are going to be. Bojo should have told the EU to fk off and say there is no deal in October. Then at least there would be certainty.
If a no deal the Bojo needs to get as much of the navy out to sea as possible and start confiscating any EU fishing vessels that are found fishing in our waters. The French are bound to try and take the piss.
With the track record of the current government its just going to heap more misery on our current misery.
k off and say there is no deal in October. Then at least there would be certainty. If a no deal the Bojo needs to get as much of the navy out to sea as possible and start confiscating any EU fishing vessels that are found fishing in our waters. The French are bound to try and take the piss.
With the track record of the current government its just going to heap more misery on our current misery.
plasticpig said:
Brexit will be a disaster. 30 days to go and companies still don’t know what the rules are going to be. Bojo should have told the EU to fk off and say there is no deal in October. Then at least there would be certainty.
If a no deal the Bojo needs to get as much of the navy out to sea as possible and start confiscating any EU fishing vessels that are found fishing in our waters. The French are bound to try and take the piss.
With the track record of the current government its just going to heap more misery on our current misery.
That’ll be interesting k off and say there is no deal in October. Then at least there would be certainty. If a no deal the Bojo needs to get as much of the navy out to sea as possible and start confiscating any EU fishing vessels that are found fishing in our waters. The French are bound to try and take the piss.
With the track record of the current government its just going to heap more misery on our current misery.
The EU fishing vessels will be using licences, sold to them by the British fisherman !
Nobody cares about fish. Even Farage didn’t when he was an EU fisheries minister (famously rarely bothering to attend meetings about his dear fisherman)
Let’s come back in a year or two & see if it was worth it
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