Taking the knee
Discussion
ATG said:
survivalist said:
I see your point. But if a group of people, supported or motivated by a professional organisation, decide to take a gesture that the majority of people associate with particular political movement, should they not consider all aspects of the political movement?
It’s a bit like saying that I joined the KKK/Nazis/BNP for the barbecues and bingo evenings - no one told me they stood for an extreme politics agenda.
But BLM is not a political movement and it's simply wrong to think that most people see it as a political movement. The Nazis were highly organised, the BNP tried to be organised as did the KKK. They all had clear political agendas.It’s a bit like saying that I joined the KKK/Nazis/BNP for the barbecues and bingo evenings - no one told me they stood for an extreme politics agenda.
BLM is a slogan, not an organisation. It is a portmanteau for a load of grass roots groups who occasionally come together at a protest.
If you wandered up to a member of the Nazis and said "who's your leader?", they'd give you the tautological answer "the Fuhrer!", but you'd get the point. If you asked a member of the Conservative or Labour party "who's your leader?", some of them might cry for a while, or mumble the answer under the breath out of embarrassment, but they'd eventually admit it was Boris or Starmer.
If you asked someone in a BLM T-shirt "who's your leader?" they'd look confused and ask what you meant because to the bloke in the T-shirt it is not an organisation with a leadership in the first place.
The website for Black Lives Matter is operated under an umbrella group known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, chaired by BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors, a self-described Marxist now under investigation within BLM since recent discovery of her recent multi million properties purchases. Black Lives Matter uses ActBlue to raise money.
Black Lives Matter, which is not a 501(c)(3) charitable group, uses an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) organization — Thousand Currents — as its fiscal sponsor, and so donations made on the Black Lives Matter website through the left-wing ActBlue donation platform go to Thousand Currents, which says it then distributes them to Black Lives Matter.
Susan Rosenberg, a member of the board of directors for the Thousand Currents group, which handles the intake of donations made to Black Lives Matter, is a convicted terrorist. Rosenberg, who was listed as the vice chairwoman of the board of directors for Thousand Currents until the webpage was pulled down this week, had been a member of the radical leftist revolutionary militant group known as the May 19th Communist Organization, affiliated with the Weather Underground terrorist group and other radicals. She was convicted on weapons and explosives charges and sentenced to 58 years in prison, serving 16 years before being pardoned by President Bill Clinton in January 2001.
Black Lives Matter appears to make up the majority of the donation work that Thousand Currents does, with the 2019 public audit statement for Thousand Currents showing just over $6.4 million in total financial assets, including holding more than $3.3 million in assets for Black Lives Matter as of last June. The audit shows Thousand Currents released nearly $1.8 million in donations to Black Lives Matter during the year ending on June 30, 2019.
The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation has pulled in huge amounts of cash since Floyd’s death, telling the Associated Press it received more than 1.1 million individual donations as of mid-June 2019, with each donation averaging $33 — meaning the group has brought in more than $33 million in less than a month. It is estimated over $200 million has passed through the network in 2020.
blackrabbit said:
Because the person in the BLM t shirt has not bothered to research or understand the organisation and is generally thick, unemployed or a student at a 2nd rate university.
And what of the person who boos at a football match?Are we allowed to make similar assumptions about them?
ATG said:
But BLM is not a political movement and it's simply wrong to think that most people see it as a political movement. The Nazis were highly organised, the BNP tried to be organised as did the KKK. They all had clear political agendas.
BLM is a slogan, not an organisation. It is a portmanteau for a load of grass roots groups who occasionally come together at a protest.
If you wandered up to a member of the Nazis and said "who's your leader?", they'd give you the tautological answer "the Fuhrer!", but you'd get the point. If you asked a member of the Conservative or Labour party "who's your leader?", some of them might cry for a while, or mumble the answer under the breath out of embarrassment, but they'd eventually admit it was Boris or Starmer.
If you asked someone in a BLM T-shirt "who's your leader?" they'd look confused and ask what you meant because to the bloke in the T-shirt it is not an organisation with a leadership in the first place.
You've posted a few things recently in this thread that are just plain nonsense. BLM is a slogan, not an organisation. It is a portmanteau for a load of grass roots groups who occasionally come together at a protest.
If you wandered up to a member of the Nazis and said "who's your leader?", they'd give you the tautological answer "the Fuhrer!", but you'd get the point. If you asked a member of the Conservative or Labour party "who's your leader?", some of them might cry for a while, or mumble the answer under the breath out of embarrassment, but they'd eventually admit it was Boris or Starmer.
If you asked someone in a BLM T-shirt "who's your leader?" they'd look confused and ask what you meant because to the bloke in the T-shirt it is not an organisation with a leadership in the first place.
"BLM is not a political organisation...."
Do you really think that?!? If so, how???
Reminds me of someone trying to convince me that intersectionality was nothing to do with politics.
JeffreyD said:
blackrabbit said:
Because the person in the BLM t shirt has not bothered to research or understand the organisation and is generally thick, unemployed or a student at a 2nd rate university.
And what of the person who boos at a football match?Are we allowed to make similar assumptions about them?
blackrabbit said:
Well it would appear the people booing have researched what BLM really are. People kneeling to them not so much.
That's the beauty of football.Fans are well known for their pre-match research.
That's why I was so surprised when they had to ask Beckham if Posh took it up the arse. I would have thought their network would have confirmed one way or the other.
At least most of our games are at home so our erudite heroes won't be smashing up some foreign bar.
It's like groundhog day on this thread,still arguing about the same thing as on page 1.
I'd wager the knee will be a thing of the past after this tournament so far as football is concerned, I really don't think it's had the effect those behind it thought it would.
It's not brought people together, it's divisive
I'd wager the knee will be a thing of the past after this tournament so far as football is concerned, I really don't think it's had the effect those behind it thought it would.
It's not brought people together, it's divisive
V8covin said:
It's not brought people together, it's divisive
And there is the baseline for all group identity politics endeavours - it's purpose is designed to divide, yet many left leaning types seem to keep wanting to defend it all. All very strange given our access to a wide amount of information on the internet and our ability to rationalise reality.V8covin said:
It's like groundhog day on this thread,still arguing about the same thing as on page 1.
I'd wager the knee will be a thing of the past after this tournament so far as football is concerned, I really don't think it's had the effect those behind it thought it would.
It's not brought people together, it's divisive
Given that is precisely the point as far as I can see then I would argue to the contrary that it is has served its purpose admirably.I'd wager the knee will be a thing of the past after this tournament so far as football is concerned, I really don't think it's had the effect those behind it thought it would.
It's not brought people together, it's divisive
If the intention was to "bring people together" then you wouldn't start by doing this by adopting the symbol of an extremely divisive organisation. So it allows our cultural elites their favourite past time of condemning the ignorant peasants as racists.
brake fader said:
It's time for Southgate to put the bag back on his head and do one, he will be gone within the next few weeks .Some of the players arn't happy it's causing division in the squad and its his fault. Football and politics don't mix at all he should of steered well clear of this.
Funnily enough i suspect he will be gone soonI don't think the tournament will go too well
JagLover said:
Given that is precisely the point as far as I can see then I would argue to the contrary that it is has served its purpose admirably.
If the intention was to "bring people together" then you wouldn't start by doing this by adopting the symbol of an extremely divisive organisation. So it allows our cultural elites their favourite past time of condemning the ignorant peasants as racists.
I would agree the BLM organisation is divisive but footballers of every colour and race taking the knee in unison was supposed to bring everyone together against racism.It hasn'tIf the intention was to "bring people together" then you wouldn't start by doing this by adopting the symbol of an extremely divisive organisation. So it allows our cultural elites their favourite past time of condemning the ignorant peasants as racists.
JagLover said:
If the intention was to "bring people together" then you wouldn't start by doing this by adopting the symbol of an extremely divisive organisation. So it allows our cultural elites their favourite past time of condemning the ignorant peasants as racists.
Place these in order of emergence: Taking the knee, BLM movement, BLM organisation.Drezza said:
threespires said:
"Taking the knee" isn't politics.
It is to me and many other people, haven't you seen BLM causing anarchy recently? The two now cannot be dissociated. I haven't seen people with "Kick it Out" banners looting and vandalising so have no issue with that. 
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