Taking the knee
Discussion
blackrabbit said:
Drezza said:
threespires said:
"Taking the knee" isn't politics.
It is to me and many other people, haven't you seen BLM causing anarchy recently? The two now cannot be dissociated. I haven't seen people with "Kick it Out" banners looting and vandalising so have no issue with that. 
kers pulling down statues and blaming everything on white people. Those that disagree should research BLM a bit deeper.
threespires said:
blackrabbit said:
Drezza said:
threespires said:
"Taking the knee" isn't politics.
It is to me and many other people, haven't you seen BLM causing anarchy recently? The two now cannot be dissociated. I haven't seen people with "Kick it Out" banners looting and vandalising so have no issue with that. kers pulling down statues and blaming everything on white people. Those that disagree should research BLM a bit deeper.
blackrabbit said:
People taking the knee and supporting BLM are supporting marxist/leftwing/woke anti white, anti British politics. Same elitist wkers supporting pulling down statues and blaming everything on white people.
Those that disagree should research BLM a bit deeper.
If that's what you think "taking the knee" is, then it's no wonder you write so much gibberish. kers supporting pulling down statues and blaming everything on white people. Those that disagree should research BLM a bit deeper.
As has been pointed out MULTIPLE times on this thread (though you choose to ignore it), "taking the knee" /= supporting the BLM organisation.
I don't think anyone on this thread has come out in support of the BLM organisation, but have come out in support of "taking the knee" as a gesture of support for black people.
Feel free to keep on conflating the two though, as that seems to be the only argument for booing other than the people booing being a little bit anti-anti-racist.
threespires said:
The thread title is "Taking the knee" not BLM.
I can't tell if people are doing this on purpose now, or whether they're just detached from reality.If for the best part of a year we saw players taking a knee, were being told it's to support Black Lives Matter and having their logos flashed on to the screen.....why would you expect the same people to think it's not associated with BLM a few weeks later just because someone tells them it's not anymore?
As far as most of the UK is concerned, it was invented by BLM, made famous/popular by BLM, used overwhelmingly for months and months by BLM to promote their message and shown/explained repeatedly to millions and millions of people to be a symbol of support for BLM.
To try and claim they're not very much connected, is just dishonest.
Dagnir said:
threespires said:
The thread title is "Taking the knee" not BLM.
I can't tell if people are doing this on purpose now, or whether they're just detached from reality.If for the best part of a year we saw players taking a knee, were being told it's to support Black Lives Matter and having their logos flashed on to the screen.....why would you expect the same people to think it's not associated with BLM a few weeks later just because someone tells them it's not anymore?
As far as most of the UK is concerned, it was invented by BLM, made famous/popular by BLM, used overwhelmingly for months and months by BLM to promote their message and shown/explained repeatedly to millions and millions of people to be a symbol of support for BLM.
To try and claim they're not very much connected, is just dishonest.
Even Sven Goran Erikson thinks taking the knee is supporting BLM :
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-08/taking-the-kne...
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-08/taking-the-kne...
elster said:
The problem they have created is that they can't stop kneeling. If they stop kneeling it must mean that racism has stopped. As it goes on more and more players will be wanting to stand and at what point do you stop kneeling. There is no target or goal to aim for. If you don't have a fixed target then you can never achieve your goal.
Which is precisely why you should think things through before you start them. bhstewie said:
Well the PM does have recent history in supporting young sportsmen. He supported the young cricketer who was suspended for racist/sexist tweets.hstewie said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57383097
Beati Dogu said:
This kneeling nonsense was never going to survive once crowds were let back in to stadia again. People don't take kindly to moronic virtue signalling by a bunch of pampered millionaires.
I've always thought that the timing was an odd coincidence and it would go wrong once crowds were back. I mean, a football crowd cant even keep quiet for a minute's silence or listen to another countries national anthem without making a noise.Edited by Beati Dogu on Friday 11th June 10:33
Page 40 of today's "Get on Track - Your June issue of Revolution from Motor Sport UK" is an interesting piece on what they call Equality, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI).
David Richards, Chair of Motorsport UK. “It is a far deeper issue that goes right to the culture of our sport and requires each and every one of us to examine the way we behave and the values we want to uphold."
I agree and support 'Taking the knee' and EDI.
David Richards, Chair of Motorsport UK. “It is a far deeper issue that goes right to the culture of our sport and requires each and every one of us to examine the way we behave and the values we want to uphold."
I agree and support 'Taking the knee' and EDI.
JNW1 said:
In your opinion; however, others disagree which is why we have the current divisive situation.
Surely the reason we have the current divisive situation is because of the racism suffered by many players.Certain people seem more upset by the steps taken to address the racism than by the racism.
JeffreyD said:
JNW1 said:
In your opinion; however, others disagree which is why we have the current divisive situation.
Surely the reason we have the current divisive situation is because of the racism suffered by many players.Certain people seem more upset by the steps taken to address the racism than by the racism.
Castrol for a knave said:
I expect it goes like this
Gareth Southgate "looks like they are booing us when we take the knee. Do you want to stop doing it lads"?
England Team "No, knee everytime, fk 'em...........".
There's been a very interesting reaction from the Scotland squad.Gareth Southgate "looks like they are booing us when we take the knee. Do you want to stop doing it lads"?
England Team "No, knee everytime, f
k 'em...........". They've explained their current stance (they currently don't "take the knee") but also have decided to take the knee for the England game.
Will be interested to see how this all develops.
Castrol for a knave said:
I expect it goes like this
Gareth Southgate "looks like they are booing us when we take the knee. Do you want to stop doing it lads"?
England Team "No, knee everytime, fk 'em...........".
More like, "We have not played well at all this week we have not played as a united team .It's my fault an i resign now where is my bag"Gareth Southgate "looks like they are booing us when we take the knee. Do you want to stop doing it lads"?
England Team "No, knee everytime, f
k 'em...........". JeffreyD said:
There's been a very interesting reaction from the Scotland squad.
They've explained their current stance (they currently don't "take the knee") but also have decided to take the knee for the England game.
Will be interested to see how this all develops.
Was the risk here that you could end up having the more diverse English team kneeling and the less diverse Scottish team looking over them....They've explained their current stance (they currently don't "take the knee") but also have decided to take the knee for the England game.
Will be interested to see how this all develops.
If Scotland dont, what is the logic for doing so in one game just because another team has ?
Surely it is either a concept you buy into or one you dont ?
The Scotland captain can explain
Our stance is that everyone, players, fans, teams, clubs, federations, governing bodies and governments must do more. Meaningful action is needed if meaningful change is to occur.
But it is also clear, given the events around the England national team, taking the knee in this tournament matters as a symbol of solidarity.
For this reason, we have collectively decided to again take the knee as a team for the fixture against England at Wembley Stadium.
The Scotland team stands against racism but we will kneel against ignorance and in solidarity on June 18th.
Our stance is that everyone, players, fans, teams, clubs, federations, governing bodies and governments must do more. Meaningful action is needed if meaningful change is to occur.
But it is also clear, given the events around the England national team, taking the knee in this tournament matters as a symbol of solidarity.
For this reason, we have collectively decided to again take the knee as a team for the fixture against England at Wembley Stadium.
The Scotland team stands against racism but we will kneel against ignorance and in solidarity on June 18th.
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