Taking the knee

[blackrabbit]

JeffreyD said:

JNW1 said:

In your opinion; however, others disagree which is why we have the current divisive situation.

Surely the reason we have the current divisive situation is because of the racism suffered by many players.

Certain people seem more upset by the steps taken to address the racism than by the racism.

Well BLM and their supporters keep on pushing for quotas in the workplace and more blacks on companies boards or as pilots for example.

Are the players taking the knee and supporting BLM on board with these policies? If yes then they would result in less black players on many teams. Do they know what they are supporting?

Seems like people want to cherry pick when to play the race card.

[JeffreyD]

blackrabbit said:

Well BLM and their supporters keep on pushing for quotas in the workplace and more blacks on companies boards or as pilots for example.

Are the players taking the knee and supporting BLM on board with these policies? If yes then they would result in less black players on many teams. Do they know what they are supporting?

Seems like people want to cherry pick when to play the race card.

If this was a conversation in a pub i'd say "yes mate" and go and sit down somewhere.

[Randy Winkman]

mrporsche said:

JeffreyD said:

There's been a very interesting reaction from the Scotland squad.

They've explained their current stance (they currently don't "take the knee") but also have decided to take the knee for the England game.

Will be interested to see how this all develops.

Was the risk here that you could end up having the more diverse English team kneeling and the less diverse Scottish team looking over them....

If Scotland dont, what is the logic for doing so in one game just because another team has ?

Surely it is either a concept you buy into or one you dont ?

The Scottish football team showing support for the English football team? That's about sticking up for your mates/colleagues/neighbours. Good for them. I like it.

[mrporsche]

JeffreyD said:

The Scotland captain can explain

Our stance is that everyone, players, fans, teams, clubs, federations, governing bodies and governments must do more. Meaningful action is needed if meaningful change is to occur.

But it is also clear, given the events around the England national team, taking the knee in this tournament matters as a symbol of solidarity.

For this reason, we have collectively decided to again take the knee as a team for the fixture against England at Wembley Stadium.

The Scotland team stands against racism but we will kneel against ignorance and in solidarity on June 18th.

But they dont express solidarity outside of this one game ?

[JeffreyD]

mrporsche said:

But they dont express solidarity outside of this one game ?

If you want to you can read the full statement from both Andrew Robertson and Steve Clarke. Won't take you long.

[chrispmartha]

mrporsche said:

Was the risk here that you could end up having the more diverse English team kneeling and the less diverse Scottish team looking over them....

If Scotland dont, what is the logic for doing so in one game just because another team has ?

Surely it is either a concept you buy into or one you dont ?

The logic is they are showing solidarity and unity for fellow professionals who have been subjected to racism.

[Castrol for a knave]

JeffreyD said:

blackrabbit said:

Well BLM and their supporters keep on pushing for quotas in the workplace and more blacks on companies boards or as pilots for example.

Are the players taking the knee and supporting BLM on board with these policies? If yes then they would result in less black players on many teams. Do they know what they are supporting?

Seems like people want to cherry pick when to play the race card.

If this was a conversation in a pub i'd say "yes mate" and go and sit down somewhere.

[mrporsche]

chrispmartha said:

mrporsche said:

Was the risk here that you could end up having the more diverse English team kneeling and the less diverse Scottish team looking over them....

If Scotland dont, what is the logic for doing so in one game just because another team has ?

Surely it is either a concept you buy into or one you dont ?

The logic is they are showing solidarity and unity for fellow professionals who have been subjected to racism.

So they would do this against every team that has non white players ?

There cant be many teams that dont have a non white player. Some east european ones and Iceland ??

[chrispmartha]

mrporsche said:

So they would do this against every team that has non white players ?

There cant be many teams that dont have a non white player. Some east european ones and Iceland ??

Dunno, you’d have to ask them, I’m just going by what they have actually said.

[JeffreyD]

chrispmartha said:

Dunno, you’d have to ask them, I’m just going by what they have actually said.

He doesn't even need to ask them. Just read the statements. It's explained there.

It's really not very difficult.

[JNW1]

threespires said:

JeffreyD said:

JNW1 said:

In your opinion; however, others disagree which is why we have the current divisive situation.

Surely the reason we have the current divisive situation is because of the racism suffered by many players.

Certain people seem more upset by the steps taken to address the racism than by the racism.

I agree

IMO the reason we have the current divisive situation is because the organisation English football has chosen to align themselves with for their stance against racism (i.e. BLM) has at least some policies which don't strike a chord with many; a different method of communicating the fight against racism could have avoided this in my view.

Of course all this is only happening because racism exists in the first place but I'm not sure what that adds to the debate - isn't that just a statement of the obvious?

[633Squadron]

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

[Mafffew]

633Squadron said:

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

Which is all well and good until you see the countries they race in. They were better off saying nothing.

[633Squadron]

Mafffew said:

633Squadron said:

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

Which is all well and good until you see the countries they race in. They were better off saying nothing.

Agreed. But as I said earlier - Religion + Sport And/ Or Politics + Sport = Best avoided.

Go to venue - Simply do your contracted job - Leave.

[CustardOnChips]

Mafffew said:

633Squadron said:

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

Which is all well and good until you see the countries they race in. They were better off saying nothing.

Completely disagree. We should go to those countries and champion inclusion and diversity. Make a show of it in the counties that don't like it.

[chrispmartha]

633Squadron said:

Mafffew said:

633Squadron said:

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

Which is all well and good until you see the countries they race in. They were better off saying nothing.

Agreed. But as I said earlier - Religion + Sport And/ Or Politics + Sport = Best avoided.

Go to venue - Simply do your contracted job - Leave.

And if you get racially abused at that venue?

[voyds9]

chrispmartha said:

And if you get racially abused at that venue?

Name one country where there has never been racial abuse and we will see if they can move the races

[chrispmartha]

voyds9 said:

Name one country where there has never been racial abuse and we will see if they can move the races

It read as a general comment not just about F1 to me

[633Squadron]

chrispmartha said:

633Squadron said:

Mafffew said:

633Squadron said:

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

Which is all well and good until you see the countries they race in. They were better off saying nothing.

Agreed. But as I said earlier - Religion + Sport And/ Or Politics + Sport = Best avoided.

Go to venue - Simply do your contracted job - Leave.

And if you get racially abused at that venue?

If someone racially abused you at work - what would you do?
Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.

But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.

[Randy Winkman]

CustardOnChips said:

Mafffew said:

633Squadron said:

Like it or not - Taking the knee is inextricably linked with BLM.
Like it or not - BLM's agenda is well known to be much more about defeating racism.

Formula 1 saw it was absolutely divisive, thought about it and came up with their "We Race As One" mantra.

Edited by 633Squadron on Friday 11th June 16:15

Which is all well and good until you see the countries they race in. They were better off saying nothing.

Completely disagree. We should go to those countries and champion inclusion and diversity. Make a show of it in the counties that don't like it.

Is F1 doing that though?