Taking the knee
Discussion
JagLover said:
Every football tournament for the last couple of decades has had a band playing the great escape theme song (might be banned now as unwoke-don't know).
No doubt some think that the fans should spend their time apologising for "white privilege" in between sessions on Marxist-Leninist theory. Instead some spend their time having a drink with their mates and belting out some of the old favourites. Different things for different folks.
Fine, they shouldn’t go on about not wanting politics in football then.No doubt some think that the fans should spend their time apologising for "white privilege" in between sessions on Marxist-Leninist theory. Instead some spend their time having a drink with their mates and belting out some of the old favourites. Different things for different folks.
Einion Yrth said:
JagLover said:
Every football tournament for the last couple of decades has had a band playing the great escape theme song (might be banned now as unwoke-don't know).
And I personally would have them shot for offences against music. Sod "unwoke".
Not as bad as those bloody vuvuzelas, but very repetitive.
Man defends booing someone who it transpires was just kneeling to tie a shoelace
I'm sure they get some of their inspiration from here
I'm sure they get some of their inspiration from here
jimPH said:
El stovey said:
Seems to be working, it’s getting publicity, people are talking about racism because of it, even here in a car forum.
It looks far more successful at raising awareness than any of the other campaigns have been. Some vanilla campaign that the -ists all approve of, is pretty unlikely to do much to help solve the problem.
It's succeeded in people accusing others of racism. Making racists out of people who aren't racist and creating division, disunity and confusion over unnecessary virtue signaling at a time when we should be aligned against tackling racism. It looks far more successful at raising awareness than any of the other campaigns have been. Some vanilla campaign that the -ists all approve of, is pretty unlikely to do much to help solve the problem.
Basically it's doing the polar opposite of its intention.
Seems more like it’s reaching a wider audience and making people talk about racism and racism in sport and football.
What’s the harm in that?
I don’t see some footballers trying to raise awareness of racism and reject it and get upset. If some sportsmen trying to reduce racism is actually upsetting people I think those people need to have a think about why they’re upset.
Which non racists has it made racists out of? Seems an extraordinary claim tbh.
ddom said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: "the old traditional songs"
Well that's ok then.
Is drill ok, are you ok with rap music in general and the use of words which would ruin anyone's career outside of a black artist?Well that's ok then.
What's that got to do singing "no surrender" or "ten german bombers" at the Euros in 2021 as if they're something to be revered as some sort of old classic?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Not especially as I'm uncomfortable with the language and in some cases the way the music glorifies violence and some horrific attitudes towards women.
What's that got to do singing "no surrender" or "ten german bombers" at the Euros in 2021 as if they're something to be revered as some sort of old classic?
Because you, and others are seeking to label people because of what they sing. So it's only reasonable to look at it from a wider perspective.What's that got to do singing "no surrender" or "ten german bombers" at the Euros in 2021 as if they're something to be revered as some sort of old classic?
chrispmartha said:
El stovey said:
which non racists has it made racists out of? Seems an extraordinary claim tbh.
If the England footballers kneeling for 10 seconds before a game has made someone racist, id probably suggest they were racist before the kneeling.I even found myself thinking about a method of socioeconomic analysis that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, better known as historical materialism, to understand class relations and social conflict as well as a dialectical perspective to view social transformation.
Whilst also wanting to defund the police!
ddom said:
Is drill ok, are you ok with rap music in general and the use of words which would ruin anyone's career outside of a black artist?
You’ve obviously not seen Pete and Bas, the grandads of drill? Those artists aren’t singing racist songs about other groups are they? They’re talking about the environments they live in. Drill and rap aren’t just a black people’s thing.
Old white men drill artists
https://youtu.be/DlcGxjtcr3s
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 13th June 17:28
chrispmartha said:
El stovey said:
which non racists has it made racists out of? Seems an extraordinary claim tbh.
If the England footballers kneeling for 10 seconds before a game has made someone racist, id probably suggest they were racist before the kneeling.
That's my issue. Who feels that they are being accused of being a racist by kneeling football players?Anyway, at today's game I was pleased that it all didn't seem to be much of an issue either way.
ddom said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Fill your boots if rap and drill suddenly interest you.
I'm quite happy to label those "fans" singing that crap.
And I'm quite happy to call many out as hypocrites I'm quite happy to label those "fans" singing that crap.
You seem to like to call people out on things without being able to back anything up though.
ddom said:
And I'm quite happy to call many out as hypocrites
Fine by me if that's what you think.I'm not the one scrambling around looking for anything I can think of to avoid calling out those "fans" behaviour.
So called fans who claim to support their national team and they show it by booing their own players for protesting against racism and singing "no surrender" and "ten german bombers".
That really shouldn't be a difficult thing to criticise.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Fine by me if that's what you think.
I'm not the one scrambling around looking for anything I can think of to avoid calling out those "fans" behaviour.
So called fans who claim to support their national team and they show it by booing their own players for protesting against racism and singing "no surrender" and "ten german bombers".
That really shouldn't be a difficult thing to criticise.
You're associating a chant about Boris, as somehow proof that football is deeply racist. Have we reached full woke?I'm not the one scrambling around looking for anything I can think of to avoid calling out those "fans" behaviour.
So called fans who claim to support their national team and they show it by booing their own players for protesting against racism and singing "no surrender" and "ten german bombers".
That really shouldn't be a difficult thing to criticise.
ddom said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Fine by me if that's what you think.
I'm not the one scrambling around looking for anything I can think of to avoid calling out those "fans" behaviour.
So called fans who claim to support their national team and they show it by booing their own players for protesting against racism and singing "no surrender" and "ten german bombers".
That really shouldn't be a difficult thing to criticise.
You're associating a chant about Boris, as somehow proof that football is deeply racist. Have we reached full woke?I'm not the one scrambling around looking for anything I can think of to avoid calling out those "fans" behaviour.
So called fans who claim to support their national team and they show it by booing their own players for protesting against racism and singing "no surrender" and "ten german bombers".
That really shouldn't be a difficult thing to criticise.
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