Taking the knee

[bitchstewie]

speedyguy said:

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

I think a question you have to ask yourself is why would you actively boo someone because they're showing they're against racism?

If someone is genuinely unsure of the difference between a message v a movement I think it's been pretty well covered and the club even put out a statement in advance

First Team squad release statement

So if you know they're kneeling in support of a message and still think they should be booed for doing so what explanation does that leave?

[anonymous-user]

ChocolateFrog said:

speedyguy said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

These threads are pointless. They always turn into a 'you are racist if you don't agree' crusade.

stinkyspanner said:

Is it racist not to support BLM?

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

Hugely counter productive as it turns moderates, which let's face it is the vast majority of us, off to the whole topic.

Moderates don’t boo a BLM show of support or protest against it. A moderate would look at someone protesting and think they agree or disagree or not care and just let them get on with it.

[pquinn]

What's the value in something that people will only be appearing to support because they get screeched at if they don't?

It's the worst sort of meaningless gesture politics.

There's a difference between actual anti racism and stupid empty symbolism.

[anonymous-user]

ChocolateFrog said:

Hugely counter productive as it turns moderates, which let's face it is the vast majority of us, off to the whole topic.

I agree as would many others.

bhstewie said:

speedyguy said:

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

I think a question you have to ask yourself is why would you actively boo someone because they're showing they're against racism?

If someone is genuinely unsure of the difference between a message v a movement I think it's been pretty well covered.

So if you know they're kneeling in support of a message and still think they should be booed for doing so what explanations does that leave?

This wasn't about booing this was just about being racist for not supporting/agreeing/caring about 'a movement'.
Just because I don't agree/care about the 'cats protection league' doesn't mean I'm anticat.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

bhstewie said:

I think a question you have to ask yourself is why would you actively boo someone because they're showing they're against racism?

If someone is genuinely unsure of the difference between a message v a movement I think it's been pretty well covered and the club even put out a statement in advance

First Team squad release statement

So if you know they're kneeling in support of a message and still think they should be booed for doing so what explanation does that leave?

Perhaps they think it's been taken over as a political gesture and those complying are being shamed into doing so.

[230TE]

ChocolateFrog said:

Why do BLM insist everyone kneels?

Is it because of the George Floyd cop?

It seems to have originated here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_kneel

Colin Kaepernick is generally credited with turning it into a statement against oppression of black people. That was in 2016.

[bitchstewie]

speedyguy said:

This wasn't about booing this was just about being racist for not supporting/agreeing/caring about 'a movement'.
Just because I don't agree/care about the 'cats protection league' doesn't mean I'm anticat.

To use that parallel it's like you booing at the message that Cats Lives Matter because you don't agree with the aims of a movement called Cats Lives Matter.

[bigpriest]

It's a bit 'pantomime' now. Just another thing to ignore until the actual match starts. Other anti-racism campaigns are available.

[BigMon]

bhstewie said:

I think a question you have to ask yourself is why would you actively boo someone because they're showing they're against racism?

If someone is genuinely unsure of the difference between a message v a movement I think it's been pretty well covered and the club even put out a statement in advance

First Team squad release statement

So if you know they're kneeling in support of a message and still think they should be booed for doing so what explanation does that leave?

I think this is a thing. I see people kneeling and assume they're making an anti-racist gesture.

Obviously others see them kneeling and assume they're making a Marxist gesture. Maybe if they got out red flags and held up Mao's book I'd see where they were coming from on that one, but they're not so I don't.

I do agree it's a shame that a bunch of far left idiots have appropriated the name and perhaps it would have been better if 'Kick it out' had been used instead but all the booing cretins did yesterday is show how much anti-racism campaigns are still needed.

[pquinn]

What a shock that our favourite offensive stereotype cartoon poster is all over this signalling their virtue.

[ChocolateFrog]

Brave Fart said:

ChocolateFrog said:

It definitely says Black Lives Matter on the screen during every Sky game.

Well quite - perhaps Sky wish to be politically aligned with the organisation, not the sentiment? After all, the BLM logo pops up on screen at exactly 8.46 into each game I believe; a reference to George Floyd.
And Sky is owned by Comcast, so there's probably some influence there I imagine.

But the FA, the Premier League and the EFL must realise the confusion between the BLM organisation and the wider message, surely?

I agree with the previous poster. It's a nicely packaged, Twitter friendly, anti-racist message (or was) that means the big companies don't have to do any real legwork on the issue.

[bitchstewie]

pquinn said:

What a shock that our favourite offensive stereotype cartoon poster is all over this signalling their virtue.

I could say the same about our resident "it's all PC gone mad" cartoon stereotypes.

Not a fan of the movement as they dragged politics into what should have been a simple message.

Don't have a problem with the message.

It's not really a difficult one but if you see it as virtue signalling that's up to you.

[ChocolateFrog]

El stovey said:

ChocolateFrog said:

speedyguy said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

These threads are pointless. They always turn into a 'you are racist if you don't agree' crusade.

stinkyspanner said:

Is it racist not to support BLM?

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

Hugely counter productive as it turns moderates, which let's face it is the vast majority of us, off to the whole topic.

Moderates don’t boo a BLM show of support or protest against it. A moderate would look at someone protesting and think they agree or disagree or not care and just let them get on with it.

It's not a huge stretch IMO. I hate the BLM movement and it's defund the police message, along with it's brand of socialism/Marxism.

Would I boo? Probably not, does it make my toes curl when I see every footballer dutifully bowing down, absolutely.

[biggbn]

speedyguy said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

These threads are pointless. They always turn into a 'you are racist if you don't agree' crusade.

stinkyspanner said:

Is it racist not to support BLM?

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

The general consensus now also seems to be that of you support people taking the knee you are a leftie Marxist sympathiser with hand wringing snowflake tendencies, such is the binary nature of life these days...

[anonymous-user]

ChocolateFrog said:

It's not a huge stretch IMO. I hate the BLM movement and it's defund the police message, along with it's brand of socialism/Marxism.

Would I boo? Probably not, does it make my toes curl when I see every footballer dutifully bowing down, absolutely.

Well that’s not a moderate view then is it?

[scottyp123]

El stovey said:

ChocolateFrog said:

speedyguy said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

These threads are pointless. They always turn into a 'you are racist if you don't agree' crusade.

stinkyspanner said:

Is it racist not to support BLM?

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

Hugely counter productive as it turns moderates, which let's face it is the vast majority of us, off to the whole topic.

Moderates don’t boo a BLM show of support or protest against it. A moderate would look at someone protesting and think they agree or disagree or not care and just let them get on with it.

It wasn't just some random people though was it, it was paying guests that had paid to watch a football match, if they wanted to watch a political rally they could have paid for an evening with Piers Corbyn instead.

If I went to a concert and the singer used the first five minutes to rant about Trump or Boris etc then I'd boo too.

[Electro1980]

ChocolateFrog said:

El stovey said:

ChocolateFrog said:

speedyguy said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

These threads are pointless. They always turn into a 'you are racist if you don't agree' crusade.

stinkyspanner said:

Is it racist not to support BLM?

The general consensus now is you are racist if you don't support taking the knee and black lives matter.
That was even the stance taken by a BLM football pundit on Talksport this am.

Simple fact is if you are not antiracist BLM you are racist that's the assumption now. Disgusting really.

Hugely counter productive as it turns moderates, which let's face it is the vast majority of us, off to the whole topic.

Moderates don’t boo a BLM show of support or protest against it. A moderate would look at someone protesting and think they agree or disagree or not care and just let them get on with it.

It's not a huge stretch IMO. I hate the BLM movement and it's defund the police message, along with it's brand of socialism/Marxism.

Would I boo? Probably not, does it make my toes curl when I see every footballer dutifully bowing down, absolutely.

If you hate the “defund the police message” you either don’t understand what it means and are just making an interpretation based on your own bias or you are in favour of police brutality.

Defund the police does not mean stop all police funding. It is about removing the funding from the US police that gives them access to tanks, vast numbers of assault weapons and pseudo military kit and using that money to fund social workers, mental health support, drug rehabilitation and early intervention. The aim is to bring attention to the vast funding of the police in many parts of the US and how that leads to the first response to be armed and violent. People are being criminalised and killed for mental health problems, disability and poverty.

[stinkyspanner]

Electro1980 said:

If you hate the “defund the police message” you either don’t understand what it means and are just making an interpretation based on your own bias or you are in favour of police brutality.

Defund the police does not mean stop all police funding. It is about removing the funding from the US police that gives them access to tanks, vast numbers of assault weapons and pseudo military kit and using that money to fund social workers, mental health support, drug rehabilitation and early intervention. The aim is to bring attention to the vast funding of the police in many parts of the US and how that leads to the first response to be armed and violent. People are being criminalised and killed for mental health problems, disability and poverty.

If that's the case I'd say the 'message' has been well and truly lost

[biggbn]

Electro1980 said:

If you hate the “defund the police message” you either don’t understand what it means and are just making an interpretation based on your own bias or you are in favour of police brutality.

Defund the police does not mean stop all police funding. It is about removing the funding from the US police that gives them access to tanks, vast numbers of assault weapons and pseudo military kit and using that money to fund social workers, mental health support, drug rehabilitation and early intervention. The aim is to bring attention to the vast funding of the police in many parts of the US and how that leads to the first response to be armed and violent. People are being criminalised and killed for mental health problems, disability and poverty.

Now now, no place for facts on this thread....

[Sophisticated Sarah]

I think football (and sports in general) would have been better off sticking to their own anti-racism schemes. BLM is pretty toxic and creating division.