How many have been vaccinated so far?
Discussion
lowdrag said:
Oh how I feel for you all! Wait until you get old - it's not an option you know. I am 75, play golf off a single figure handicap (and have done for over 50 years), and still do track days (when available) in my Lynx. I moan about the young because they have never suffered the privations I did when young (food rationing etc) and because they expect everything, and as regards their track comportment - I am very careful of being overtaken and then they don't give a s
t and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please.
As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
I guess you know anyway, but just in case remember to wait the 3-4 weeks before being more relaxed so you have the full protection. Several people I know seem to not realise about waiting for the immune response to build before they start living life more properly again, rather thinking it's "immediate" after the jab. t and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please. As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
lowdrag said:
Oh how I feel for you all! Wait until you get old - it's not an option you know. I am 75, play golf off a single figure handicap (and have done for over 50 years), and still do track days (when available) in my Lynx. I moan about the young because they have never suffered the privations I did when young (food rationing etc) and because they expect everything, and as regards their track comportment - I am very careful of being overtaken and then they don't give a st and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please.
As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
You have got to be kidding me.t and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please. As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
No generation has ever had it as good as your generation, and no generation in the future is likely to ever have it as good. Your generation owns all the property, all the land, all the savings, had 'jobs for life', gold plated pensions, early retirement, could buy houses and property for peanuts, enjoyed the explosion in travel, technology and healthcare, and so on.
Lord Marylebone said:
lowdrag said:
Oh how I feel for you all! Wait until you get old - it's not an option you know. I am 75, play golf off a single figure handicap (and have done for over 50 years), and still do track days (when available) in my Lynx. I moan about the young because they have never suffered the privations I did when young (food rationing etc) and because they expect everything, and as regards their track comportment - I am very careful of being overtaken and then they don't give a st and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please.
As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
You have got to be kidding me.t and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please. As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
No generation has ever had it as good as your generation, and no generation in the future is likely to ever have it as good. Your generation owns all the property, all the land, all the savings, had 'jobs for life', gold plated pensions, early retirement, could buy houses and property for peanuts, enjoyed the explosion in travel, technology and healthcare, and so on.
jsf said:
CraigyMc said:
The losing side paid quite a bit in reparations but that's not why you were asking.
Can we get back to vaccinations please?
You'll find they didn't, after the issues WW1 reparations caused in Germany which led to the rise of the Nazi's, it was decided not to repeat that. Quite the opposite happened with investment into Germany from the USA.Can we get back to vaccinations please?
UK paid a massive price financially for WW2, paying back loans to the USA and having restrictions on what could be purchased in the UK whilst we went on an export drive to generate money to pay off the loans. Food rationing lasted for 9 years after WW2 ended.
The point about "who paid for WW2" is a fair one, though one has to consider the cost of WW2 as much less avoidable than the cost of COVID.
Both would have inflicted a big cost no matter what we did, that is true.
In WW2 the world faced the prospect of Hitler with nuclear weapons. That would not have played out well, even if Britain could have declined to enter the war, it would likely have been self-defeating.
With COVID however we have shut down the economy far in excess of the reduction in economic activity that COVID itself, perhaps with much more modest restrictions would have generated. I don't buy the "the economy will fall over if elective surgery slows down" type argument about the NHS. It has no basis in empirical data from economies anywhere around the world.
Ntv said:
jsf said:
CraigyMc said:
The losing side paid quite a bit in reparations but that's not why you were asking.
Can we get back to vaccinations please?
You'll find they didn't, after the issues WW1 reparations caused in Germany which led to the rise of the Nazi's, it was decided not to repeat that. Quite the opposite happened with investment into Germany from the USA.Can we get back to vaccinations please?
UK paid a massive price financially for WW2, paying back loans to the USA and having restrictions on what could be purchased in the UK whilst we went on an export drive to generate money to pay off the loans. Food rationing lasted for 9 years after WW2 ended.
The point about "who paid for WW2" is a fair one, though one has to consider the cost of WW2 as much less avoidable than the cost of COVID.
Both would have inflicted a big cost no matter what we did, that is true.
In WW2 the world faced the prospect of Hitler with nuclear weapons. That would not have played out well, even if Britain could have declined to enter the war, it would likely have been self-defeating.
With COVID however we have shut down the economy far in excess of the reduction in economic activity that COVID itself, perhaps with much more modest restrictions would have generated. I don't buy the "the economy will fall over if elective surgery slows down" type argument about the NHS. It has no basis in empirical data from economies anywhere around the world.
Every country in the developed world has shut down economic activity to protect lives and get the pandemic under control, UK is not unique in this, in fact a lot of countries put in more severe restrictions which has led to Boris being slagged off for not doing that.
warch said:
Lord Marylebone said:
lowdrag said:
Oh how I feel for you all! Wait until you get old - it's not an option you know. I am 75, play golf off a single figure handicap (and have done for over 50 years), and still do track days (when available) in my Lynx. I moan about the young because they have never suffered the privations I did when young (food rationing etc) and because they expect everything, and as regards their track comportment - I am very careful of being overtaken and then they don't give a st and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please.
As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
You have got to be kidding me.t and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please. As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
No generation has ever had it as good as your generation, and no generation in the future is likely to ever have it as good. Your generation owns all the property, all the land, all the savings, had 'jobs for life', gold plated pensions, early retirement, could buy houses and property for peanuts, enjoyed the explosion in travel, technology and healthcare, and so on.
jsf said:
My reply covered both WW situations with regards to reparations, i explained why that didn't happen post WW2.
Every country in the developed world has shut down economic activity to protect lives and get the pandemic under control, UK is not unique in this, in fact a lot of countries put in more severe restrictions which has led to Boris being slagged off for not doing that.
It's very simplistic to view reparations as causing WW2, and isn't really correct. They were less than Germany had implemented on France after the Franco-Prussian war before for example. Part of the issue was the way Germany tried to avoid/reduce the payments with their economic tools. The hyper inflation was over around a decade before Hitler appeared on the scene. Germany had gone back to good growth for a while too, before the American investment fell apart with the collapse of Wall Street and the Great Depression hit Germany hard. The economic strategy of Germany, combined with the Great Depression and the view of "we didn't lose the war" seems to be why Hitler could then come into power. Every country in the developed world has shut down economic activity to protect lives and get the pandemic under control, UK is not unique in this, in fact a lot of countries put in more severe restrictions which has led to Boris being slagged off for not doing that.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/first-world-wa...
Lord Marylebone said:
You have got to be kidding me.
No generation has ever had it as good as your generation, and no generation in the future is likely to ever have it as good. Your generation owns all the property, all the land, all the savings, had 'jobs for life', gold plated pensions, early retirement, could buy houses and property for peanuts, enjoyed the explosion in travel, technology and healthcare, and so on.
I suppose you are right, of course. I suppose living in cardboard city in London was a part of my education, as was becoming a milkman getting up at 4.30am, and freezing my hands delivering milk. But I started my own business, worked at one time 80 hours a week, weekends included, I took the rough with the smooth, built it up, designed and self-built a house, and built a car that hadn't existed for 60 years. Life has just been a bowl of cherries.No generation has ever had it as good as your generation, and no generation in the future is likely to ever have it as good. Your generation owns all the property, all the land, all the savings, had 'jobs for life', gold plated pensions, early retirement, could buy houses and property for peanuts, enjoyed the explosion in travel, technology and healthcare, and so on.
jsf said:
Ntv said:
jsf said:
CraigyMc said:
The losing side paid quite a bit in reparations but that's not why you were asking.
Can we get back to vaccinations please?
You'll find they didn't, after the issues WW1 reparations caused in Germany which led to the rise of the Nazi's, it was decided not to repeat that. Quite the opposite happened with investment into Germany from the USA.Can we get back to vaccinations please?
UK paid a massive price financially for WW2, paying back loans to the USA and having restrictions on what could be purchased in the UK whilst we went on an export drive to generate money to pay off the loans. Food rationing lasted for 9 years after WW2 ended.
The point about "who paid for WW2" is a fair one, though one has to consider the cost of WW2 as much less avoidable than the cost of COVID.
Both would have inflicted a big cost no matter what we did, that is true.
In WW2 the world faced the prospect of Hitler with nuclear weapons. That would not have played out well, even if Britain could have declined to enter the war, it would likely have been self-defeating.
With COVID however we have shut down the economy far in excess of the reduction in economic activity that COVID itself, perhaps with much more modest restrictions would have generated. I don't buy the "the economy will fall over if elective surgery slows down" type argument about the NHS. It has no basis in empirical data from economies anywhere around the world.
Every country in the developed world has shut down economic activity to protect lives and get the pandemic under control, UK is not unique in this, in fact a lot of countries put in more severe restrictions which has led to Boris being slagged off for not doing that.
A lot of countries have also put in less severe restrictions. And it was obviously possible for countries to do so. Sweden shows that.
What you'll find is that the argument "lots of people did it, therefore it was sensible / unavoidable" doesn't cut it.
History has plenty of examples of collective action proving with hindsight to be have been misguided and harmful. In fact the periods before both WW1 and WW2 would be good examples, as would, to give a peacetime example, the regulation of financial services pre 2008.
Very very few (if any?) countries have inflicted more economic self-harm than the UK. Can you name any/
turbobloke said:
warch said:
Lord Marylebone said:
lowdrag said:
Oh how I feel for you all! Wait until you get old - it's not an option you know. I am 75, play golf off a single figure handicap (and have done for over 50 years), and still do track days (when available) in my Lynx. I moan about the young because they have never suffered the privations I did when young (food rationing etc) and because they expect everything, and as regards their track comportment - I am very careful of being overtaken and then they don't give a st and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please.
As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
You have got to be kidding me.t and slam their six-pot ABS brakes on right in front of me. Being young is wonderful, but do have a little consideration for us old fogeys please. As regards the virus, my son in law runs the Diagonal in Reunion (100 kms over the mountains on gravel tracks) every year and makes a butchers dog look like a sloth, but he caught it and was down to 30% of his lung capacity at one point. I have been ultra-careful, having asthma, but have my second jab tomorrow morning.
No generation has ever had it as good as your generation, and no generation in the future is likely to ever have it as good. Your generation owns all the property, all the land, all the savings, had 'jobs for life', gold plated pensions, early retirement, could buy houses and property for peanuts, enjoyed the explosion in travel, technology and healthcare, and so on.
I would challenge lower levels of opportunity in particular among your list.
The last 15 years have seen an unprecedented stagnation in living standards on average, and living standards going backwards for younger generations. Social mobility has reduced, not increased.
NRS said:
jsf said:
My reply covered both WW situations with regards to reparations, i explained why that didn't happen post WW2.
Every country in the developed world has shut down economic activity to protect lives and get the pandemic under control, UK is not unique in this, in fact a lot of countries put in more severe restrictions which has led to Boris being slagged off for not doing that.
It's very simplistic to view reparations as causing WW2, and isn't really correct. They were less than Germany had implemented on France after the Franco-Prussian war before for example. Part of the issue was the way Germany tried to avoid/reduce the payments with their economic tools. The hyper inflation was over around a decade before Hitler appeared on the scene. Germany had gone back to good growth for a while too, before the American investment fell apart with the collapse of Wall Street and the Great Depression hit Germany hard. The economic strategy of Germany, combined with the Great Depression and the view of "we didn't lose the war" seems to be why Hitler could then come into power. Every country in the developed world has shut down economic activity to protect lives and get the pandemic under control, UK is not unique in this, in fact a lot of countries put in more severe restrictions which has led to Boris being slagged off for not doing that.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/first-world-wa...
HappyMidget said:
21st Century Man said:
Where'd the vaccine thread go? 
Down the sthole every other good thread goes down unfortunately. Was enjoying a non political thread until these buggers turned up and ruined it.warch said:
HappyMidget said:
21st Century Man said:
Where'd the vaccine thread go?
Down the sthole every other good thread goes down unfortunately. Was enjoying a non political thread until these buggers turned up and ruined it.warch said:
What you meant pages and pages of boring old farts telling how their vaccinations went. Thoughts and prayers etc
That's pretty fking entitled, isn't it? No one compels you to read it and the answer to "I don't like something other people are doing" isn't "let's ruin it". Unless you're a child. basherX said:
warch said:
What you meant pages and pages of boring old farts telling how their vaccinations went. Thoughts and prayers etc
That's pretty fking entitled, isn't it? No one compels you to read it and the answer to "I don't like something other people are doing" isn't "let's ruin it". Unless you're a child. 
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