How many have been vaccinated so far?

[Dromedary66]

Boringvolvodriver said:

I don’t actually need the vaccine as I am not in one of the groups that according to said leaflet “should have the vaccine”

What groups does that leaflet mention?

[spikeyhead]

UK first dose, second dose
416,834 31,562

[youngsyr]

spikeyhead said:

UK first dose, second dose
416,834 31,562

That's a solid day's work - 448k.

[MG CHRIS]

spikeyhead said:

and can we please keep this thread to "how many people have been vaccinated"

Totally agree its the same people again and again sadly ruining good threads.

[MG CHRIS]

youngsyr said:

spikeyhead said:

UK first dose, second dose
416,834 31,562

That's a solid day's work - 448k.

Not bad after a low start for the week hope it continues.

[andy43]

MG CHRIS said:

spikeyhead said:

and can we please keep this thread to "how many people have been vaccinated"

Totally agree its the same people again and again sadly ruining good threads.

So... masks? Snog, marry, avoid?

OH done last week, 52 with no health issues but we do have an 80 yo in household, she got a text earlier in week.
Still going well, but there does seem to be a bit more downtime now - probably supply issues.
Over 56's now bookable on NHS site apparently.

[MG CHRIS]

andy43 said:

MG CHRIS said:

spikeyhead said:

and can we please keep this thread to "how many people have been vaccinated"

Totally agree its the same people again and again sadly ruining good threads.

So... masks? Snog, marry, avoid?

OH done last week, 52 with no health issues but we do have an 80 yo in household, she got a text earlier in week.
Still going well, but there does seem to be a bit more downtime now - probably supply issues.
Over 56's now bookable on NHS site apparently.

Great idea for a new game show. Wales does seem to be differing from England as usual concentrating on getting through the 2nd doses however my dad 63 is getting his Saturday. Hopefully the supply delay is now out of the way and we can really start going with the numbers.

[Dromedary66]

Some ammunition for boringvolvodriver and other anti-vaxxers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9335317/A...

[sim72]

Dromedary66 said:

Some ammunition for boringvolvodriver and other anti-vaxxers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9335317/A...

Good old Daily Mail. Complains bitterly about lockdown, prints scare story about the thing that's going to get rid of lockdown.

You need to read half way down for

"Currently there is no evidence of a causal relationship with the vaccination,' BASG said."
and
"BASG said blood clotting was not among the known side effects of the vaccine"

Can't think why even Wikipedia has banned the Mail as a source.

[oyster]

Cold said:

otolith said:

How many do you imagine Covid would have killed had we treated it like flu?

A similar number to what we have today. Virus is gonna virus.

Education wasted on some it seems.

[vaud]

Cold said:

otolith said:

How many do you imagine Covid would have killed had we treated it like flu?

A similar number to what we have today. Virus is gonna virus.

Nope. A load more as covid is much more transmissible.

[saaby93]

UK has ordered 457million does of vaccine - is that a risk of oversupply for 70m people?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
Surely the 140million from AZ and pfizer should be about right

[vaud]

saaby93 said:

UK has ordered 457million does of vaccine - is that a risk of oversupply for 70m people?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
Surely the 140million from AZ and pfizer should be about right

Yes, it was a de-risking strategy as at the time they did not know, and could not know which would be successful in trials.

If they had known at the time of ordering that AZ was going to be safe and give sufficient response, then no doubt they would have ordered that. But they couldn't so they didnt.

Canny move.

[isaldiri]

otolith said:

Is your contention that we would have had the same number of infections had we continued business as usual? I'm not asking whether "the most intensive restrictions" made a difference versus the baseline of what we did between them, I'm asking whether we would have had the same number of infections (and therefore deaths) had we done absolutely nothing, like we do in a bad flu season.

My contention is that 'lockdowns' as used by the UK has not necessarily had an impact wrt to overall deaths, particularly excess deaths given the way and timing of their implementation. I'd suggest the 'business as usual' argument death numbers' is a bit of a moot point as behaviour change occurs that slows infections considerably can and does occur when people get bombarded with enough death virus messaging and can see hospitalisations rising, as we had seen before lockdown 1 and 2.

[saaby93]

vaud said:

saaby93 said:

UK has ordered 457million does of vaccine - is that a risk of oversupply for 70m people?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
Surely the 140million from AZ and pfizer should be about right

Yes, it was a de-risking strategy as at the time they did not know, and could not know which would be successful in trials.

If they had known at the time of ordering that AZ was going to be safe and give sufficient response, then no doubt they would have ordered that. But they couldn't so they didnt.

Canny move.

Good point

They still dont really know

and it's not clear they'll press the under 50s to have it - as suggested earlier - what's the risk to pregnant women or unborn

[DRichardson]

saaby93 said:

vaud said:

saaby93 said:

UK has ordered 457million does of vaccine - is that a risk of oversupply for 70m people?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
Surely the 140million from AZ and pfizer should be about right

Yes, it was a de-risking strategy as at the time they did not know, and could not know which would be successful in trials.

If they had known at the time of ordering that AZ was going to be safe and give sufficient response, then no doubt they would have ordered that. But they couldn't so they didnt.

Canny move.

Good point

They still dont really know

and it's not clear they'll press the under 50s to have it - as suggested earlier - what's the risk to pregnant women or unborn

What don't they really know?

It's not being offered to pregnant women except in certain circumstances https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19...

[oyster]

Zoobeef said:

oyster said:

1. To help reduce spread of Covid, thereby enabling society to open up faster and return to normality sooner.

Edited by oyster on Saturday 6th March 23:14

Ahhh, you're one of those people.

Can you explain what you mean by that?
Genuinely not sure.

I am firmly of the belief that lower infection numbers will give more ammunition for the government to stick with the published roadmap dates. And, as recent evidence seems to suggest, vaccinations have an effect on reducing infection spread, then this would back up my point.

[Zoobeef]

oyster said:

Zoobeef said:

oyster said:

1. To help reduce spread of Covid, thereby enabling society to open up faster and return to normality sooner.

Edited by oyster on Saturday 6th March 23:14

Ahhh, you're one of those people.

Can you explain what you mean by that?
Genuinely not sure.

I am firmly of the belief that lower infection numbers will give more ammunition for the government to stick with the published roadmap dates. And, as recent evidence seems to suggest, vaccinations have an effect on reducing infection spread, then this would back up my point.

Infection gives better immunity than the vaccine. If we had opened up earlier last summer it would have reduced numbers in hospital this winter. Then, aided by the vaccine program, got to the stage where everyone has some immunity much quicker.

They should work together.

[speedy_thrills]

Is there a timeline for the second iteration of the vaccine being developed against mutant strains?

[768]

Zoobeef said:

Infection gives better immunity than the vaccine.

Because the best sort of immunity is the one that isn't safe to acquire to the point it might kill you (amongst other outcomes), isn't based on a predictable exposure and can't be boosted on a predictable schedule?