How many have been vaccinated so far?
Discussion
clockworks said:
I have to admit, I don't know anyone "dumb" enough to think like that either.
In fact, I only know one person who has so far turned down the vaccine. He's early 50's, and was offered the jab a few weeks ago because he's a carer for his partner and her child, who both have disabilities that qualified them for their jabs a couple of weeks earlier. Despite them both having the jab, he hasn't.
I've spoken to him at length, and his reluctance stems from his distrust of medics. He's still thinking about it, hasn't ruled it out.
He had a cancer "scare" a couple of years ago. He went to see his GP with back pain and lethargy. Got sent for all sorts of tests, and was told he might have kidney problems. More tests, which ruled out a lot of things, so they told him it was probably cancer. He spent months thinking he was going to die a slow and painful death. Endoscopy done, turned out nothing wrong with him. Most likely a mix of stress and mild depression.
He won't go to the doctor at all now.
I kind of get where he's coming from. I had a similar experience with "ulcerative colitis" - turned out to be taking too much aspirin for a toothache (I had no idea that aspirin can cause internal bleeding). I also convinced myself I had a brain tumour, which turned out to be stress and depression from a difficult marriage.
The human mind can be a very strange thing.
We need to appreciate that medical science is not "settled" and that there is tons of sIn fact, I only know one person who has so far turned down the vaccine. He's early 50's, and was offered the jab a few weeks ago because he's a carer for his partner and her child, who both have disabilities that qualified them for their jabs a couple of weeks earlier. Despite them both having the jab, he hasn't.
I've spoken to him at length, and his reluctance stems from his distrust of medics. He's still thinking about it, hasn't ruled it out.
He had a cancer "scare" a couple of years ago. He went to see his GP with back pain and lethargy. Got sent for all sorts of tests, and was told he might have kidney problems. More tests, which ruled out a lot of things, so they told him it was probably cancer. He spent months thinking he was going to die a slow and painful death. Endoscopy done, turned out nothing wrong with him. Most likely a mix of stress and mild depression.
He won't go to the doctor at all now.
I kind of get where he's coming from. I had a similar experience with "ulcerative colitis" - turned out to be taking too much aspirin for a toothache (I had no idea that aspirin can cause internal bleeding). I also convinced myself I had a brain tumour, which turned out to be stress and depression from a difficult marriage.
The human mind can be a very strange thing.
t we don't know. There's likely more we don't know about our own bodies and the way everything works than we do (I seem to recall seeing a programme that noted doctors don't really know why paracetamol works for example).But that being said, whilst doctors don't know everything, and there will be some good and some bad amongst them just like any profession, not bothering to see them is an illogical course of action as they know better than we do (apart from Zoobeef of course) and even if only correct a %age of the time, it's still better than nothing.
btw, did you tell your doctor you were popping loads of aspirin? I thought it was well known that aspirin can cause real gut issues - it's an acid. It has some interesting side benefits for some (thins blood I believe) but can cause problems like ulcers I think. Take with care.
Alpha1 said:
I had a text this morning from my GP inviting me for a vaccine, I'm 34 with no health issues. I called the GP and apparently they're onto my age group around here so perfectly legit. Sounds odd, anyone else? I'm in North Hampshire.
I'm in North Hampshire (Fleet). My wife received the NHS letter telling her to book on Saturday, but nothing from the GP. She is 58, one of her friends is 64 and had the jab last week.
None of my neighbours (early 40's) have yet received any contact.
I thought around here they are only just getting to late 50's,
Edited by Russ T Bolt on Monday 8th March 15:31
Russ T Bolt said:
Alpha1 said:
I had a text this morning from my GP inviting me for a vaccine, I'm 34 with no health issues. I called the GP and apparently they're onto my age group around here so perfectly legit. Sounds odd, anyone else? I'm in North Hampshire.
I'm in North Hampshire (Fleet). My wife received the NHS letter telling her to book on Saturday, but nothing from the GP. She is 58, one of her friends is 64 and had the jab last week.
None of my neighbours (early 40's) have yet received any contact.
I thought around here they are only just getting to late 50's,
Edited by Russ T Bolt on Monday 8th March 15:31
Zoobeef said:
fblm said:
Funny how you think you know more than the medical community. The evidence suggests there's a massive difference in the immune response of people who get covid naturally with mild cases only giving immune protection for a few months. I'm not a doctor but I'd suggest relying on people getting seriously ill with covid to gain meaningful immunity is a poor public health strategy.
"Vaccines for some pathogens, like pneumococcal bacteria, induce better immunity than the natural infection does. Early evidence suggests that the Covid-19 vaccines may fall into this category. Volunteers who received the Moderna shot had more antibodies — one marker of immune response — in their blood than did people who had been sick with Covid-19."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-na...
What is it with you antivaxxers that prevents even the most basic amount of research that doesn't involve facebook?
Did you read passed the title?"Vaccines for some pathogens, like pneumococcal bacteria, induce better immunity than the natural infection does. Early evidence suggests that the Covid-19 vaccines may fall into this category. Volunteers who received the Moderna shot had more antibodies — one marker of immune response — in their blood than did people who had been sick with Covid-19."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-na...
What is it with you antivaxxers that prevents even the most basic amount of research that doesn't involve facebook?
Infection better immunity, but not as safe.
Thanks for proving my point.
Natural infection does have a better percentage survival rate than vaccine efficacy. But anyone comparing those two because they happen to be percentages and deciding it means natural immunity is more effective is making an unfortunate if common mistake.
RicksAlfas said:
Alpha1 said:
I had a text this morning from my GP inviting me for a vaccine, I'm 34 with no health issues. I called the GP and apparently they're onto my age group around here so perfectly legit. Sounds odd, anyone else? I'm in North Hampshire.
Under 35s have to have it in their backside. To reduce delays make sure you have your trousers around your ankles before you get in the cubicle.
I've heard they're onto the 40-45s where I am, wouldn't surprise me that some are still further ahead. I wonder how the system will adjust once they run out in an area, I'm sure someone's way ahead on it.
Also North Hants and had mine on Friday evening (51). Felt like absolute ARSE from about 11am Saturday until yesterday afternoon. Aches, chills, banging headache. It was the AZ vaccine.
Ironically probably worse than when I actually had COVID last year. Fine now apart from arm still a little tender. Have heard that the response to the vaccine can be worse if you've had COVID and antibodies are still present. I have friends who've had AZ or Pfizer and both groups have had some with no effects and some who also felt rough.
Ironically probably worse than when I actually had COVID last year. Fine now apart from arm still a little tender. Have heard that the response to the vaccine can be worse if you've had COVID and antibodies are still present. I have friends who've had AZ or Pfizer and both groups have had some with no effects and some who also felt rough.
Zoobeef said:
You realise most of those side with me 
No, most say that immunity via vaccine is as good as it better than that from the illness.You claimed the opposite.
You seem completely unwilling to accept any evidence or data that contradicts your previously held view, do you genuinely have some good science degrees, or not? It seems really unlikely.
Northernboy said:
Zoobeef said:
You realise most of those side with me
No, most say that immunity via vaccine is as good as it better than that from the illness.You claimed the opposite.
You seem completely unwilling to accept any evidence or data that contradicts your previously held view, do you genuinely have some good science degrees, or not? It seems really unlikely.
I would certainly not see a need for a jab if I'd had covid in the last 6 months. However proving you've had it would be relatively expensive compared to just having the jab
ghost83 said:
Apparantly supply is arriving Thursday/Friday and then the big vaccination drive From Monday 15th! Reckon infection will rise with kids going back but in 18 days they’re off for Easter so it will be like a circuit breaker lockdown! And hopefully the 32m will have been done
Correct, my Wife is a vaccinator and there are loads of shifts available over the next 7-14 days in North Yorkshire. I think we can get to 1m per day by the end of next week..Murph7355 said:
We need to appreciate that medical science is not "settled" and that there is tons of st we don't know. There's likely more we don't know about our own bodies and the way everything works than we do (I seem to recall seeing a programme that noted doctors don't really know why paracetamol works for example).
But that being said, whilst doctors don't know everything, and there will be some good and some bad amongst them just like any profession, not bothering to see them is an illogical course of action as they know better than we do (apart from Zoobeef of course) and even if only correct a %age of the time, it's still better than nothing.
btw, did you tell your doctor you were popping loads of aspirin? I thought it was well known that aspirin can cause real gut issues - it's an acid. It has some interesting side benefits for some (thins blood I believe) but can cause problems like ulcers I think. Take with care.
It was over 40 years ago. I didn't mention it to the doctor. Back then, you could buy aspirin in bottles of 100, over the counter. I just figured it must be safe, since you didn't need a prescription. I had no idea it had any side effects. Eventually I went to the dentist and got the abscess sorted, stopped taking aspirin, and the problem cleared up. It was many years later that I figured out the link between aspirin and my bowel problem. I guess I was lucky that there was no long-term damage.t we don't know. There's likely more we don't know about our own bodies and the way everything works than we do (I seem to recall seeing a programme that noted doctors don't really know why paracetamol works for example).But that being said, whilst doctors don't know everything, and there will be some good and some bad amongst them just like any profession, not bothering to see them is an illogical course of action as they know better than we do (apart from Zoobeef of course) and even if only correct a %age of the time, it's still better than nothing.
btw, did you tell your doctor you were popping loads of aspirin? I thought it was well known that aspirin can cause real gut issues - it's an acid. It has some interesting side benefits for some (thins blood I believe) but can cause problems like ulcers I think. Take with care.
Since then, I've been very careful with any non-prescription drugs. If I get a headache, I'll take half the recommended dose, and only once or twice in a day. I also switch between types of painkiller. I even only take half the recommended dose of hay fever nasal spray, and less often than it says on the packaging.
Unfortunately, my friend is quite suggestible. He reads stuff, and doesn't know who to believe, so ends up doing nothing. He's the kind of person who gets caught up in the middle of all the anti-vax stuff. If a committed anti-vaxxer wants to take the chance, that's up to them. My friend isn't anti-vax, just very cautious and suggestible.
dickymint said:
Wales zero deaths 
Yep seen that earlier great news first time since mid September when we have a run of 14 days without a death cases averaging around 200 a day and dropping roughly 20% ever week. We should be under 1000 cases per week this week if the rates continue to fall in line with previous weeks.Drakeford announcing the way out on Friday there is no way he can keep lockdown going much past end of month in my opinion with the fall in deaths and cases.
Also another stat wales has now given 1 million doses to date that's both 1st and 2nd doses.
Lord Marylebone said:
He’s 37 and was told they are now onto the “under 40’s” category.
I was pretty impressed.
I know some disagree (I've seen plenty of 'celebs' get abuse for 'jumping the queue due to their fame' when posting that they been jabbed online) but it's great that this is allowed to happen if a specific surgery is well on top of it.I was pretty impressed.
No red tape, no having to arrange moving the vaccine elsewhere, just crack on and use what you've got to get as many vaccinated as you can.
Similar with leftover stocks at the end of the day, no 10 page priority document to try and follow with inevitable loss of vaccine, no policy to stop those hanging around getting a jab at the end of the day, just do it, use them up as best you can.
It's remarkably refreshing and the small price to pay is 56 year old Janet getting angry on Twitter that 49 year old Derek had his jab first.
ch37 said:
I know some disagree (I've seen plenty of 'celebs' get abuse for 'jumping the queue due to their fame' when posting that they been jabbed online) but it's great that this is allowed to happen if a specific surgery is well on top of it.
No red tape, no having to arrange moving the vaccine elsewhere, just crack on and use what you've got to get as many vaccinated as you can.
Similar with leftover stocks at the end of the day, no 10 page priority document to try and follow with inevitable loss of vaccine, no policy to stop those hanging around getting a jab at the end of the day, just do it, use them up as best you can.
It's remarkably refreshing and the small price to pay is 56 year old Janet getting angry on Twitter that 49 year old Derek had his jab first.
Had mine last night (48), local vac centre is inviting teachers and other education staff in to use up the remaining stock. No red tape, no having to arrange moving the vaccine elsewhere, just crack on and use what you've got to get as many vaccinated as you can.
Similar with leftover stocks at the end of the day, no 10 page priority document to try and follow with inevitable loss of vaccine, no policy to stop those hanging around getting a jab at the end of the day, just do it, use them up as best you can.
It's remarkably refreshing and the small price to pay is 56 year old Janet getting angry on Twitter that 49 year old Derek had his jab first.
Not feeling too great today - like having mild flu.
ch37 said:
It's remarkably refreshing and the small price to pay is 56 year old Janet getting angry on Twitter that 49 year old Derek had his jab first.
As mentioned before - I got serious abuse from one guy ("I'm going to see my MP!!!" and a load of rude comments) because he found out I'd had a very early "end of day, use it up" vaccination and his teacher wife hadn't. FB, of course. Utter bellend 
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