How many have been vaccinated so far?

[CarlosFandango11]

Northernboy said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

It would be worth something IF you would post instead your own pretty numerical version of the same data, on a daily basis, consistently, each day of the vaccine rollout, including weekends and bank holidays.

The graph might not be pretty - but it is accurate. And it is also easy to understand. And it is updated each day. And you aren't paying for it.

If numerate, educated people familiar with presenting data are saying that the graph is not well done, then rather than having a strop about it, do you not think it'd be better to take the comments on board?

It's awful.

I’m numerate, educated and familiar with presenting data. With a small bit of explanation, it looks very useful to me.

[jock mcsporran]

Pistonpants said:

jock mcsporran said:

Second Moderna jab today. So far just a light headache but otherwise fine. No real reaction to the first jab either other than a sore arm for a day.

What gap did you get between jabs? I got the Moderna on the first day it was available in England and the second jab is 12 weeks later in early July, so not sure how you managed to get the 2nd jab so soon - assuming you are in the UK?

I know they started a week earlier in Wales/Scotland but even so wouldn’t expect any 2nd Moderna jabs for a few months.

4 weeks but I’m in Qatar for work just now so took advantage of being offered vaccination as it eases my travel. They’re going by the manufacturer guidelines I guess.

[survivalist]

Northernboy said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Lol. It was a twitter link to a professional actuary who produces some *very* insightful covid data and who produces some useful vaccine progress graphs. I posted it because I thought others on this thread might find it useful.

If you don't find it useful - that's fine. From your original reply, you clearly didn't understand it and so I tried to provide you with some explanation. That's called trying to be helpful.

An actuary! Why didn’t you say? I feel so foolish now that I réalisé that that hot mess was put up be a retired actuary whose former job was presenting profits on photocopier profits in Swansea, whereas the most complex data I ever had to summarize was how I’d proved that the large hadron collider would be able to discriminate the Higgs boson from the background signal.

I’m clearly out of my league here, you’re obviously a proper expert.

keep 'em coming.

[vaud]

Northernboy said:

An actuary! Why didn’t you say? I feel so foolish now that I réalisé that that hot mess was put up be a retired actuary whose former job was presenting profits on photocopier profits in Swansea, whereas the most complex data I ever had to summarize was how I’d proved that the large hadron collider would be able to discriminate the Higgs boson from the background signal.

I’m clearly out of my league here, you’re obviously a proper expert.

But to how many sigma?

[Crumpet]

98elise said:

Crumpet said:

Nimby said:

Apart from the card, jabs go on your NHS patient record which you can see online via PatientAccess or the NHS phone app (not the Test&Trace one).

Hmmm, it’s sort of for this reason I don’t want it. I don’t want it on a central record which insurance companies and the like can access but I’d like the cards that say I’ve had it. Maybe I’ll look into having it abroad.

Its your normal medical record so it shows everything you're being (or have been) treated for.

Mine shows my hypertension which actually does have an impact on insurance, but only because they ask me for that information. My insurance company don't have access to my medical records.

What's concerns you about Covid vaccination being in there?

Well, a couple of concerns. Have there been any cases where the vaccine has resulted in death (or critical illness) and life insurance or critical illness policies have actually paid out? I was under the impression that the vaccines are still classed as under trial and as such gives the insurance companies a get-out clause.

The same when it comes to professional licenses and medicals. I have to hold a class 1 aviation medical for work and the authorities, even before Covid, were relatively quick to pull the medical for even fairly minor issues. Under normal circumstances most of us have ‘loss of licence’ insurance to mitigate this but I’m aware of one case where the medical was revoked and the insurance refused to pay out as the vaccine is still under trial. Even on the ‘side effects’ thread there are cases where PHers have lost feeling in one side of their body (or whatever it was) - that would instantly result in your medical being revoked for further investigation.

I just don’t know really, so I’m in no rush to jump in and get the vaccine when there are potentially wider implications. Having the vaccine on the quiet and off the U.K. record would potentially be a solution.

[Flooble]

Crumpet said:

Well, a couple of concerns. Have there been any cases where the vaccine has resulted in death (or critical illness) and life insurance or critical illness policies have actually paid out? I was under the impression that the vaccines are still classed as under trial and as such gives the insurance companies a get-out clause.

The same when it comes to professional licenses and medicals. I have to hold a class 1 aviation medical for work and the authorities, even before Covid, were relatively quick to pull the medical for even fairly minor issues. Under normal circumstances most of us have ‘loss of licence’ insurance to mitigate this but I’m aware of one case where the medical was revoked and the insurance refused to pay out as the vaccine is still under trial. Even on the ‘side effects’ thread there are cases where PHers have lost feeling in one side of their body (or whatever it was) - that would instantly result in your medical being revoked for further investigation.

I just don’t know really, so I’m in no rush to jump in and get the vaccine when there are potentially wider implications. Having the vaccine on the quiet and off the U.K. record would potentially be a solution.

How would having it on the quiet help? No side effects = no difference.

If you did develop side effects one imagines you would want to be treated, so you are hardly likely to say "Nope, no idea how I got these blood clots/paralysis/third arm" - you'd be wanting the medics to do their best to fix you surely?

Presumably if you are zipping around the globe you'll also be needing a vaccine passport, so it'll be recorded on there too.

I don't really see anyway to retain the validity of the loss of licence insurance by "keeping it quiet".

Having said that, I was pondering if anyone was offering "side effect insurance". I know my critical illness cover will only pay out for a long list of illnesses which doesn't include any of the reported side effects.
It'd be nice to have some other cover in place. Logically with so few cases it should be money for (nearly) nothing for the underwriters. I'd happily pay a reasonable chunk of cash to be covered just in case.

[Crumpet]

Flooble said:

How would having it on the quiet help? No side effects = no difference.

If you did develop side effects one imagines you would want to be treated, so you are hardly likely to say "Nope, no idea how I got these blood clots/paralysis/third arm" - you'd be wanting the medics to do their best to fix you surely?

Well, I don’t know. I suppose it would be worse for there to be no explicable reason for a mini-stroke or something similar, but if you’d had the vaccine they could pin it on that and say it was a temporary side effect. But then at least denying you’d had the vaccine (and having no record of it) would mean the insurance companies can’t use it as a get-out. It would, however, be insurance fraud!

I think personally I’ll be using the summer cases ‘lull’ to wait it out a few months before committing. I’ve had numerous exposures to positive cases over the last year and have avoided catching it, so either my luck is due to run out or I’ve already had it!

I do feel bad because I want everyone else to take the vaccine but want my own little vaccine waiver - and I realise how that looks.

With regards to needing a vaccine for travelling globally I’m not sure that will be the case. I think it will end up as a choice between fully vaccinated or PCR within 72hrs.
To be honest, PCR testing is so widely available with <24hr turnarounds that it’s nothing more than a slight inconvenience these days (until you test positive returning from your hols and you have to foot the bill for hotel quarantine for you and your family).

Sorry, I realise this has gone off topic somewhat.

[Bill]

I only watched half last night but Jabbed - about the UK vaccine programme - on C4 was very interesting. And very impressive!

[Camoradi]

I caught part of a report on BBC World Service about vaccinations in Africa. Apparently a vaccination centre in Democratic Republic of Congo only had 36 people come forward on their first day of operation, due to rumours that the vaccination could make you impotent. In Malawi a rumour spread that out of date vaccines were being used and they had to publicly destroy vaccines which were nearing expiry date as people believed they had "gone sour"

I can't locate the report I heard but related reporting below...it seems out of date vaccines are being used...or expiry dates are being "extended"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09flqtt

Somewhat worrying....

[souper]

Anyone not been called for their second dose? my 12 weeks is up in 2 days, my original Astra Zeneca jab was sent via a text from GP which I had on 18/2/21 and checks out if I follow the original text link.

London based if it makes any difference.

[98elise]

Crumpet said:

98elise said:

Crumpet said:

Nimby said:

Apart from the card, jabs go on your NHS patient record which you can see online via PatientAccess or the NHS phone app (not the Test&Trace one).

Hmmm, it’s sort of for this reason I don’t want it. I don’t want it on a central record which insurance companies and the like can access but I’d like the cards that say I’ve had it. Maybe I’ll look into having it abroad.

Its your normal medical record so it shows everything you're being (or have been) treated for.

Mine shows my hypertension which actually does have an impact on insurance, but only because they ask me for that information. My insurance company don't have access to my medical records.

What's concerns you about Covid vaccination being in there?

Well, a couple of concerns. Have there been any cases where the vaccine has resulted in death (or critical illness) and life insurance or critical illness policies have actually paid out? I was under the impression that the vaccines are still classed as under trial and as such gives the insurance companies a get-out clause.

The same when it comes to professional licenses and medicals. I have to hold a class 1 aviation medical for work and the authorities, even before Covid, were relatively quick to pull the medical for even fairly minor issues. Under normal circumstances most of us have ‘loss of licence’ insurance to mitigate this but I’m aware of one case where the medical was revoked and the insurance refused to pay out as the vaccine is still under trial. Even on the ‘side effects’ thread there are cases where PHers have lost feeling in one side of their body (or whatever it was) - that would instantly result in your medical being revoked for further investigation.

I just don’t know really, so I’m in no rush to jump in and get the vaccine when there are potentially wider implications. Having the vaccine on the quiet and off the U.K. record would potentially be a solution.

If you have it abroad it wouldn't change the fact you've had it, unless you are going to lie when asked. That's not a good idea in any scenario especially if you work in aviation.

I suspect you would be better not having it.

[vaud]

Camoradi said:

I caught part of a report on BBC World Service about vaccinations in Africa. Apparently a vaccination centre in Democratic Republic of Congo only had 36 people come forward on their first day of operation, due to rumours that the vaccination could make you impotent. In Malawi a rumour spread that out of date vaccines were being used and they had to publicly destroy vaccines which were nearing expiry date as people believed they had "gone sour"

I can't locate the report I heard but related reporting below...it seems out of date vaccines are being used...or expiry dates are being "extended"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09flqtt

Somewhat worrying....

In the UK our cleaner (mid 20s) isn't having it as she was told by a friend and her mum that it can make you sterile.

[ukwill]

Had my blood taken along with various tests last month as part of the ongoing Imperial study. Just got my report back - I still had antibodies for Covid last month - that's just over a year since getting it.

Fingers crossed that translates to not requiring annual boosters.

Also zero organ related issues - blood work and other tests suggest all is just fine. (There was a lot of alarming BS about "covid lung" on social media so I can see why these studies are required).

Have since had AZ jab no.1 so can't say how much longer antibodies from natural infection might stay for, but for me it was at least 1 year.

[Russ T Bolt]

souper said:

Anyone not been called for their second dose? my 12 weeks is up in 2 days, my original Astra Zeneca jab was sent via a text from GP which I had on 18/2/21 and checks out if I follow the original text link.

London based if it makes any difference.

I had my first on 18th Feb as well via GP. I got a text from them last week and went in last Saturday for my second.

You probably want to call your GP.

Can you access your patient records to see if they have recorded the first correctly.

[ShoooRn]

Got the text yesterday morning and have tried contacting the GP 10 times since; they're terrible to call at any time pre covid so I am not surprised I can't get through. I'm 31 (32 next month) and if it wasn't for the fact that I travel alot for work (to some countries with somewhat terrible hygiene) I wouldn't have been as bothered to rush up. I was away for work last week and I was the only company representative without the Vaccine - we're set to return to office the 21st June.

[Lily the Pink]

I had my second jab this morning, having brought it forward a couple of days from the full 12 weeks.

For both jabs I barely felt the needle and have no soreness or other side effects.

[souper]

Russ T Bolt said:

souper said:

Anyone not been called for their second dose? my 12 weeks is up in 2 days, my original Astra Zeneca jab was sent via a text from GP which I had on 18/2/21 and checks out if I follow the original text link.

London based if it makes any difference.

I had my first on 18th Feb as well via GP. I got a text from them last week and went in last Saturday for my second.

You probably want to call your GP.

Can you access your patient records to see if they have recorded the first correctly.

Yes. i can access my records and it does show i had my first jab, I've sent an online thingy to my GP if they don't respond by tomorrow I'll give them a phone call. Glad you got yours sorted.

[spikeyhead]

Today's jabs

First second total
115,053 231,835 346,888

percentage of adults jabbed
67.6% first 34.3% second

[J210]

Its been weeks since the 40-42 bracket was annoyed. Amazed we are not in the 30's officially yet.

[EddieSteadyGo]

J210 said:

Its been weeks since the 40-42 bracket was annoyed. Amazed we are not in the 30's officially yet.

The projection hasn't really changed for the last few weeks - we should move to under 40's sometime around the end of this week (maybe early next week).