How many have been vaccinated so far?
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Dog Star said:
Just stop this crap totally.
How many lives could be saved, nhs stress etc if they banned smoking overnight?
Diminishing returns. Im not some anti vax tinfoil hatter, but I have 100% had it with this now. By autumn everyone will have been offered a vaccine. I don’t owe any duty of care to those that have refused one - f
k ‘em.
The vulnerable who cannot have one - should we really be locking down the 99.9% of the rest of us?
This has gone far enough - we are destroying entire sectors of our economy.
I agree with you, I say let it rip, and see what happens. However the government aren’t willing to risk a collapsed healthcare system if it goes tits up on them. Unfortunately, they are the ones with the controls, not me How many lives could be saved, nhs stress etc if they banned smoking overnight?
Diminishing returns. Im not some anti vax tinfoil hatter, but I have 100% had it with this now. By autumn everyone will have been offered a vaccine. I don’t owe any duty of care to those that have refused one - f
k ‘em. The vulnerable who cannot have one - should we really be locking down the 99.9% of the rest of us?
This has gone far enough - we are destroying entire sectors of our economy.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
The fact there are so many infections, tells a tale, “blame it all on the young / unvaccinated lot” nope, that’s bks, the U.K. has an ageing population, there are more ( apparently) now fully immune people than not. So, reading between the lines, the vaccines aren’t doing quite as well as the experts had hoped. They ( at least ) don’t appear to be ‘sanitising’. All they really need to do is keep enough people out of hospital, to avoid the overload that is part one of the big problem. News coming from ( Oldham in particular) is that they aren’t doing. At least one critical care / I.T.U. In Oldham is at capacity, and using surrounding hospitals for assistance. Something is very wrong.
If you are posting something, it is safe to assume the opposite is true.ks, the U.K. has an ageing population, there are more ( apparently) now fully immune people than not. So, reading between the lines, the vaccines aren’t doing quite as well as the experts had hoped. They ( at least ) don’t appear to be ‘sanitising’. All they really need to do is keep enough people out of hospital, to avoid the overload that is part one of the big problem. News coming from ( Oldham in particular) is that they aren’t doing. At least one critical care / I.T.U. In Oldham is at capacity, and using surrounding hospitals for assistance. Something is very wrong.Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
djc206 said:
I disagree. Some people cannot be vaccinated, others are extremely vulnerable and even a mild dose of something like the Rona would finish them off. If they require extra protection then we should offer it.
Yes, but if the vaccines were doing what the experts hoped, the ECV would be so unlikely to encounter the virus, it would not impact the usual rates of those folk getting ill and dying in general. If they need extra protection, there’s a big problem.djc206 said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
The fact there are so many infections, tells a tale, “blame it all on the young / unvaccinated lot” nope, that’s bks, the U.K. has an ageing population, there are more ( apparently) now fully immune people than not. So, reading between the lines, the vaccines aren’t doing quite as well as the experts had hoped. They ( at least ) don’t appear to be ‘sanitising’. All they really need to do is keep enough people out of hospital, to avoid the overload that is part one of the big problem. News coming from ( Oldham in particular) is that they aren’t doing. At least one critical care / I.T.U. In Oldham is at capacity, and using surrounding hospitals for assistance. Something is very wrong.
A quick Google suggests Oldham is part of the Pennine Acute Hospitals Trust? They have 16 covid patients, 7 ventilated. Must be a small ITU, if those numbers are correct a nasty RTC could see them at capacity.ks, the U.K. has an ageing population, there are more ( apparently) now fully immune people than not. So, reading between the lines, the vaccines aren’t doing quite as well as the experts had hoped. They ( at least ) don’t appear to be ‘sanitising’. All they really need to do is keep enough people out of hospital, to avoid the overload that is part one of the big problem. News coming from ( Oldham in particular) is that they aren’t doing. At least one critical care / I.T.U. In Oldham is at capacity, and using surrounding hospitals for assistance. Something is very wrong.EddieSteadyGo said:
If you are posting something, it is safe to assume the opposite is true.
Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
You’re cherry picking data to suit your ( completely wrong as usual ) arguments. The facts are, that infections are on the rise, the epidemic is growing, and certain places are in trouble already. Try actually looking at the facts of what is really going on, rather than spending your time trying to ‘prove’ you’re right ( you’re not ) and I’m wrong ( I’m not ).Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
If you are posting something, it is safe to assume the opposite is true.
Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
You’re cherry picking data to suit your ( completely wrong as usual ) arguments. The facts are, that infections are on the rise, the epidemic is growing, and certain places are in trouble already. Try actually looking at the facts of what is really going on, rather than spending your time trying to ‘prove’ your right ( you’re not ) and I’m wrong ( I’m not ).Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
It shows *clearly* why cases are increasing. Your speculation implying significant vaccine escape is just scaremongering (and wrong).
EddieSteadyGo said:
Lol. The "cherry picked" data is from the ONS and show the prevalence of covid across England.
It shows *clearly* why cases are increasing. Your speculation implying significant vaccine escape is just scaremongering (and wrong).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57526...It shows *clearly* why cases are increasing. Your speculation implying significant vaccine escape is just scaremongering (and wrong).
And this is just in Wales.
"Our scientific advisers believe the UK is now in the pre-peak stage of a third wave of the pandemic," he said.
3rd wave = 3rd Lockdown, mark my words.
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Friday 18th June 12:54
EddieSteadyGo said:
If you are posting something, it is safe to assume the opposite is true.
Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
Bring on the school holidays and earlier second jabs for under 40s. Interesting it's falling for years 7-11.Here is the ONS prevalence survey results. It isn't hard to see where the increase in covid is coming from... school years 12 up to 24 years old and 25 to 34. And guess which are the last groups to receive their vaccine invite....
So nothing is "very wrong", except your conclusion. Once we completed the vaccine program and gone through the inevitable exit wave (which happens with stage 4) we will be fine.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Lol. The "cherry picked" data is from the ONS and show the prevalence of covid across England.
It shows *clearly* why cases are increasing. Your speculation implying significant vaccine escape is just scaremongering (and wrong).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57526...It shows *clearly* why cases are increasing. Your speculation implying significant vaccine escape is just scaremongering (and wrong).
And this is just in Wales.
"Our scientific advisers believe the UK is now in the pre-peak stage of a third wave of the pandemic," he said.
I have been saying for literally months, as we relax restrictions towards stage 4, we will see an exit wave. It is evitable - it can't be avoided. As contact levels return to normal, covid will find the pockets of susceptible people when it can spread. And potentially spread quite quickly.
Look again at the ONS prevalence survey... cases are increasing - that isn't for debate. But it shows why they are increasing - basically in adults under 30 where the vaccination coverage is much lower.
768 said:
Bring on the school holidays and earlier second jabs for under 40s. Interesting it's falling for years 7-11.
Pretty much this. We are definitely heading in the right direction. Once we get higher vax coverage in the younger adults, we are on the home straight. Just as Israel has shown.It will get a bit sticky with the exit wave, as contact levels return back to normal, but by end of August we should be good.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Yes, but if the vaccines were doing what the experts hoped, the ECV would be so unlikely to encounter the virus, it would not impact the usual rates of those folk getting ill and dying in general. If they need extra protection, there’s a big problem.
They are. But they’re not 100% effective, there will be a small subset who are not as protected as they might like. That number will be way way smaller than last year thankfully.768 said:
Bring on the school holidays and earlier second jabs for under 40s. Interesting it's falling for years 7-11.
I’m 35 and have just moved my 2nd jab forward by 3 weeks. They’ve tweaked the booking system slightly to show you if any earlier appointments at your existing second booking venue but not the wider area which would be even more helpful. EddieSteadyGo said:
768 said:
Bring on the school holidays and earlier second jabs for under 40s. Interesting it's falling for years 7-11.
Pretty much this. We are definitely heading in the right direction. Once we get higher vax coverage in the younger adults, we are on the home straight. Just as Israel has shown.It will get a bit sticky with the exit wave, as contact levels return back to normal, but by end of August we should be good.
768 said:
Thanks. I'm 38 and when I cancelled to rebook the other day it gave me lots of slots from the day mine was due, but none earlier. The new screen for earlier availability isn't showing me any slots at all, at least yet.
Yeah I had to cancel and then book about 15 miles from my original. I trauled through the availability of about 6 or 7 different places to find a slot that was significantly earlier. My wife and a couple of friends have managed to do the same but we live between two fair sized cities so plenty of places where you can get jabbed which likely helps.isaldiri said:
Until winter when prior vaccine sterilising immunity starts to fade. cases start going up again. the drum beat for 'doing something' restarts given the capitulation to 'reducing cases' that just happened. The same shrieking voices to 'reduce cases' by jabbing up people will switch to... jabbing children, pets, rejabbing everyone with a booster, more restrictions etcetc. it worked before, why wouldn't they try it again?
Well one would hope because it’s not the right thing to do but that’s just laughable so let’s go with cost.djc206 said:
768 said:
Thanks. I'm 38 and when I cancelled to rebook the other day it gave me lots of slots from the day mine was due, but none earlier. The new screen for earlier availability isn't showing me any slots at all, at least yet.
Yeah I had to cancel and then book about 15 miles from my original. I trauled through the availability of about 6 or 7 different places to find a slot that was significantly earlier. My wife and a couple of friends have managed to do the same but we live between two fair sized cities so plenty of places where you can get jabbed which likely helps.CraigyMc said:
You also have the option of looking for a walk-in centre from 56 days after your first dose, irrespective of bookings. You can use the booked 2nd dose as a backstop if a walk-in isn't available.
Good to know thanks!Edit to add I’ve just checked and my 2nd is now booked exactly 56 days after my first! Jackpot.
isaldiri said:
Until winter when prior vaccine sterilising immunity starts to fade. cases start going up again.
Why would they? Booster shots will be scheduled to happen before immunity drops.Do you have any evidence to suggest that vaccine effectiveness is lost after only twelve months, or is that supposition?
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