How many have been vaccinated so far?
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I really does seem as though the EU won the battle with access to vaccines doesn't it?
In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
272BHP said:
I really does seem as though the EU won the battle with access to vaccines doesn't it?
In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
We've just about run out of people to jab. Germany are going along at a decent rate but they're still a couple of months behind us. We should be grateful they're catching us up, and worried that the likes of France seem to be running out of steam.In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
272BHP said:
I really does seem as though the EU won the battle with access to vaccines doesn't it?
In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
I mentioned on the EU vaccine thread a few weeks ago, the EU were due to get a big increase in Pfizer supply during June, which is one reason why they are catching up. By the end of July, countries like Germany won't be that far behind the UK. In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
And in terms of here in the UK, putting aside the government spin, we don't have a big vaccine push at the moment. We have 1st jabs continuing for another 2 weeks at a rate of circa 1.3 million per week (by when ~90% of adults will have received their first jab). This is constrained by the availability of the Pfizer/Moderna doses. Second doses are matching the pace of 1st jabs from 8 weeks ago. We could only speed it up if we changed the policy on the 8 week gap and shortened it to say 4 weeks which the government is unlikely to do.
272BHP said:
I really does seem as though the EU won the battle with access to vaccines doesn't it?
In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
??In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
EddieSteadyGo said:
We could only speed it up if we changed the policy on the 8 week gap and shortened it to say 4 weeks which the government is unlikely to do.
In some areas it has been shortened to 4 weeks. A few colleagues at work have got theirs 4-5 weeks after the first having been notified to go by NHS text and did so. Iirc it basically said as long as your first dose was before 4th June you could book the second and get it done pretty much immediately.MOTORVATOR said:
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UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
It's all interpretation of data isn't it? they have administered 73 million doses and we have done 77 million so not much between the two of us now in terms of actually getting jabs in arms.UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
272BHP said:
MOTORVATOR said:
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UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
It's all interpretation of data isn't it? they have administered 73 million doses and we have done 77 million so not much between the two of us now in terms of actually getting jabs in arms.UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
Evanivitch said:
272BHP said:
MOTORVATOR said:
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UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
It's all interpretation of data isn't it? they have administered 73 million doses and we have done 77 million so not much between the two of us now in terms of actually getting jabs in arms.UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
Edit - Or looking closer maybe ECDC is woefully behind?
Edited by MOTORVATOR on Tuesday 29th June 13:08
272BHP said:
MOTORVATOR said:
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UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
It's all interpretation of data isn't it? they have administered 73 million doses and we have done 77 million so not much between the two of us now in terms of actually getting jabs in arms.UK 84.4% / 61.9%
Germany 60.9% / 37.2%
They need to keep the more vaccines per day up for some time yet given they have a 24% larger population to get through.
Desiderata said:
It can't be as simple as :-
1 vaccinate everyone possible
2 vaccinated people produce antibodies
3 encourage people to get tested
4 all those vaccinated people have antibodies so show up as positive tests even though they aren't getting ill.
5 'positive' rates go up but hospitalisation/death rates don't.
Antibody testing is a thing, but it only tells you whether you have been infected and recovered, or have been previously vaccinated. It is of no value in detecting active and infectious cases.1 vaccinate everyone possible
2 vaccinated people produce antibodies
3 encourage people to get tested
4 all those vaccinated people have antibodies so show up as positive tests even though they aren't getting ill.
5 'positive' rates go up but hospitalisation/death rates don't.
Diagnosis of active/recently active cases is done by one of two methods:
1. Antigen testing via lateral flow tests, where fragments of viral particles (antigens) are detected by laboratory manufacturerd antibodies which are infused into the test kit. The test is only positive if there are particles of sars-cov-2 virus (or a similar virus) present.
2. Testing for viral genetic material via a DNA amplification test - typically PCR, but other methods such as LAMP are also in widespread use. These are incredibly selective and false positives due to misrecognition of the genetic material are very uncommon. These tests can detect fragmented pieces of viral genetic material, so don't necessarily indicate active virus - but the fragmented genetic material doesn't hang around for long (rarely more than 14 days after infection), so a positive test is a strong indicator of a recent infection.
Antibody testing has been used for survey purposes to estimate how many people have been infected and recovered. However, even this can tell the difference between vaccination and natural infection. The vaccines are engineered to produce an immune reaction against highly purified viral "spike". Whereas natural infection produces a large number of immune reactions against all the individual viral components. Antibody testing is typically performed by testing for the presence of antibodies against several different viral components. The two most important are "spike" and "N", as these components tend to cause the strongest immune reactions. Someone who tests positive for N antibody has definitely been previously infected, as this cannot have come from vaccines. S antibody positive could have come from either.
272BHP said:
CarlosFandango11 said:
So by your logic, Germany are doing much better than Gibraltar, who have double vaccinated nearly all of their population?!?
My original message was in the context of vaccine supply. Germany appear to have double our supply at the moment. 272BHP said:
really does seem as though the EU won the battle with access to vaccines doesn't it?
The UK obtained much more supply of vaccines at the start of the year compared to Germany and the EU, and hence don’t require as much now. I’d call that the UK winning the “battle” as you put it.CarlosFandango11 said:
The UK obtained much more supply of vaccines at the start of the year compared to Germany and the EU, and hence don’t require as much now. I’d call that the UK winning the “battle” as you put it.
We got a load more AZN vaccine, due to the government's decision to fund and scale up production early.We didn't though get more Pfizer and we only ever ordered a fairly small amount of Moderna. The EU are getting much higher rates of supply now from Pfizer, which of course is a good thing as we need everyone to have enough vaccine.
It's not really a contest or battle with each other though is it?
Israel aside, UK are at the head of finding out the level required to have broken that link of infections and severe illness / death and if the current vaccine per population is the measure of when that occurs then EU need to dish out 50% again of what they already have to get to the same level of protection.
Israel aside, UK are at the head of finding out the level required to have broken that link of infections and severe illness / death and if the current vaccine per population is the measure of when that occurs then EU need to dish out 50% again of what they already have to get to the same level of protection.
CarlosFandango11 said:
The UK obtained much more supply of vaccines at the start of the year compared to Germany and the EU, and hence don’t require as much now. I’d call that the UK winning the “battle” as you put it.
I would argue we do require it. We are currently enduring another 4 weeks of restrictions in able to get more people vaccinated. When the supply appears to be strangled in these crucial weeks then I don't think it is unreasonable to ask questions.272BHP said:
I would argue we do require it. We are currently enduring another 4 weeks of restrictions in able to get more people vaccinated. When the supply appears to be strangled in these crucial weeks then I don't think it is unreasonable to ask questions.
The supply isn't strangled - it is arriving at about the rate we were promised from Pfizer (with some top up from Moderna). They (Pfizer) have actually nearly fulfilled their entire order the UK government made. And as a result 1st Jabs will be completed by around 12th July. It is the pace of 2nd jabs which have dropped - but that is because it is tracking the number of 1st jabs from ~8 weeks ago and because we have pretty much stopped using AZN doses.The other thing is that there is a second generation of vaccines under development (probably released in 2022.) Remember the vaccines being distributed now where really an early and hasty attempt to just get something that prevented deaths, which they've been very successful at, but future iterations and boosters will likely offer further protection against new variants.
EddieSteadyGo said:
I mentioned on the EU vaccine thread a few weeks ago, the EU were due to get a big increase in Pfizer supply during June, which is one reason why they are catching up. By the end of July, countries like Germany won't be that far behind the UK.
And in terms of here in the UK, putting aside the government spin, we don't have a big vaccine push at the moment. We have 1st jabs continuing for another 2 weeks at a rate of circa 1.3 million per week (by when ~90% of adults will have received their first jab). This is constrained by the availability of the Pfizer/Moderna doses. Second doses are matching the pace of 1st jabs from 8 weeks ago. We could only speed it up if we changed the policy on the 8 week gap and shortened it to say 4 weeks which the government is unlikely to do.
If lockdowns should continue then they should hurry up and get a move on. If they'll open up it's fine to be more relaxed. We shouldn't have both.And in terms of here in the UK, putting aside the government spin, we don't have a big vaccine push at the moment. We have 1st jabs continuing for another 2 weeks at a rate of circa 1.3 million per week (by when ~90% of adults will have received their first jab). This is constrained by the availability of the Pfizer/Moderna doses. Second doses are matching the pace of 1st jabs from 8 weeks ago. We could only speed it up if we changed the policy on the 8 week gap and shortened it to say 4 weeks which the government is unlikely to do.
Fortunately the number of PH posters that consider the vaccine irrelevant for them are relatively few in number. However, should this cohort and a reticence in other sections of the population become significant percentage then there will be the self fulfilling prophecy as the hoped for improvement fails to materialise.
EddieSteadyGo said:
272BHP said:
I really does seem as though the EU won the battle with access to vaccines doesn't it?
In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
I mentioned on the EU vaccine thread a few weeks ago, the EU were due to get a big increase inAccording to the Pfizer supply during June, which is one reason why they are catching up. By the end of July, countries like Germany won't be that far behind the UK. In the last 7 days Germany are averaging many more vaccines per day (800k a day) than we achieved at our peak and have nearly caught us up now.
Despite us putting in a big push to get as many vaccinated in this 4 week extension to restrictions we can barely muster half their average daily rate.
And in terms of here in the UK, putting aside the government spin, we don't have a big vaccine push at the moment. We have 1st jabs continuing for another 2 weeks at a rate of circa 1.3 million per week (by when ~90% of adults will have received their first jab). This is constrained by the availability of the Pfizer/Moderna doses. Second doses are matching the pace of 1st jabs from 8 weeks ago. We could only speed it up if we changed the policy on the 8 week gap and shortened it to say 4 weeks which the government is unlikely to do.
https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID...
Edited by Vanden Saab on Tuesday 29th June 22:33
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