How many have been vaccinated so far?
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My mother in law (and others she knows in their 70s) are at 11 weeks now since having the first shot of Pfizer and still no news of a second jab. May 1st will be 12 weeks for her.
Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
ch37 said:
My mother in law (and others she knows in their 70s) are at 11 weeks now since having the first shot of Pfizer and still no news of a second jab. May 1st will be 12 weeks for her.
Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Ring the GPs or the NHS booking helpline?Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
purplepenguin said:
As the vaccination numbers increase, you will get some herd immunity which will reduce the infection rate in the younger age groups.
What is the big decision to be made? Surely it’s obvious now - open up businesses and get on with it?
Patience is a virtue, a few more weeks won't kill you - though a few weeks less just might.What is the big decision to be made? Surely it’s obvious now - open up businesses and get on with it?
Vasco said:
purplepenguin said:
As the vaccination numbers increase, you will get some herd immunity which will reduce the infection rate in the younger age groups.
What is the big decision to be made? Surely it’s obvious now - open up businesses and get on with it?
Patience is a virtue, a few more weeks won't kill you - though a few weeks less just might.What is the big decision to be made? Surely it’s obvious now - open up businesses and get on with it?
purplepenguin said:
spikeyhead said:
CarlosFandango11 said:
Fairly obviously, the big decision is at what level of vaccination will a level of herd immunity be reached that’s acceptable to, as you say, “open up businesses and just get on with it”.
Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
It's not the dying that's now the principal issue. It's more significant that the NHS has a 4.7 million case backlog that needs ploughing through. We're only three weeks from being able to sit inside a pub, and another month from everything opening up. Even with the current restrictions, hospital admissions due to covid are only falling be 10 to 20% a week. That will continue to improve as more people get jabbed, but get worse as more is opened up. Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
I've no idea what the perfect balance is for opening things up, but I don't think we're too far away from it.
Anyway, there is a nice new “breathy” voiced ad on the radio telling you that the NHS will let you know when “your” vaccine is ready for “you”
Very personal and probably signed off by the behavioural science boffins - like you are being sold a lovely new coffee or some such.
Just something else from the govt I can shout obcenities over when its on the radio.
spikeyhead said:
youngsyr said:
spikeyhead said:
CarlosFandango11 said:
Fairly obviously, the big decision is at what level of vaccination will a level of herd immunity be reached that’s acceptable to, as you say, “open up businesses and just get on with it”.
Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
It's not the dying that's now the principal issue. It's more significant that the NHS has a 4.7 million case backlog that needs ploughing through. We're only three weeks from being able to sit inside a pub, and another month from everything opening up. Even with the current restrictions, hospital admissions due to covid are only falling be 10 to 20% a week. That will continue to improve as more people get jabbed, but get worse as more is opened up. Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
I've no idea what the perfect balance is for opening things up, but I don't think we're too far away from it.
In general, any % being quoted without the actual numbers is misleading, as 20% can be any number between the infinitely small and the infinitely large.
The important number here is the actual daily number of admissions, which is currently at 132, down from over 4,000 at the latest peak.
If they were all unvaccinated it would be a great advert to get reluctant people in for their vaccinations, which suggests to me that a lot of them are actually vaccinated people and the vaccine isn’t the magic bullet everyone is hoping for (I realise they haven’t promised that it is).
I still have no idea how elderly and vulnerable people are catching it, it’s either routine NHS and doctors check-ups or garden centres. My money is on the NHS.
ch37 said:
My mother in law (and others she knows in their 70s) are at 11 weeks now since having the first shot of Pfizer and still no news of a second jab. May 1st will be 12 weeks for her.
Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Did she have her first jab at a GP led vaccination centre? if so, I would just take her down to the GP vaccination centre and explain the situation. They would either check for spare / give her the jab there and then, if no spares available or it's an AZ day, they will book her on the next available Pfizer slot.Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
(I have encountered handful in a similar situation in my GP vaccination centre, and I always take them to the admin team who will ensure these priority case are seen to asap)
Tony427 said:
purplepenguin said:
spikeyhead said:
CarlosFandango11 said:
Fairly obviously, the big decision is at what level of vaccination will a level of herd immunity be reached that’s acceptable to, as you say, “open up businesses and just get on with it”.
Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
It's not the dying that's now the principal issue. It's more significant that the NHS has a 4.7 million case backlog that needs ploughing through. We're only three weeks from being able to sit inside a pub, and another month from everything opening up. Even with the current restrictions, hospital admissions due to covid are only falling be 10 to 20% a week. That will continue to improve as more people get jabbed, but get worse as more is opened up. Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
I've no idea what the perfect balance is for opening things up, but I don't think we're too far away from it.
Anyway, there is a nice new “breathy” voiced ad on the radio telling you that the NHS will let you know when “your” vaccine is ready for “you”
Very personal and probably signed off by the behavioural science boffins - like you are being sold a lovely new coffee or some such.
Just something else from the govt I can shout obcenities over when its on the radio.
ch37 said:
My mother in law (and others she knows in their 70s) are at 11 weeks now since having the first shot of Pfizer and still no news of a second jab. May 1st will be 12 weeks for her.
Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Was she not given the date of her second jab on the card when she got her first ?Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Gareth79 said:
Vanden Saab said:
It would be interesting to know what the first dose vaccines are but I am guessing it is mainly Moderna with a smattering of Pfizer and Astra.
I'm early 40s and have a first dose booked tomorrow (after my GP surgery's text) - wondering what I'll get!All the vaccination centres available to me were in warzones. I ended up in Moss Side and Bellingham LOL
Sadly, none of this light-footed, spring morning romp into a football stadium or, other large, well connected facility as reported by the news.
Lily the Pink said:
ch37 said:
My mother in law (and others she knows in their 70s) are at 11 weeks now since having the first shot of Pfizer and still no news of a second jab. May 1st will be 12 weeks for her.
Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Was she not given the date of her second jab on the card when she got her first ?Cutting it a little fine, isn't it? I know nothing will suddenly change if it goes to 12 weeks and 4 days or whatever, but I've not yet heard of anyone waiting beyond 12 weeks.
Vanden Saab said:
It would be interesting to know what the first dose vaccines are but I am guessing it is mainly Moderna with a smattering of Pfizer and Astra.
Answer to my earlier post: It was AZ. Decent queue, but they had 3x treatment rooms open and I think I was in the treatment room for under 2 minutes.purplepenguin said:
otolith said:
I think we probably need to address the cardiovascular risks of lockdowns by sending some Propranolol and diazepam to lockdown sceptics.
Are you a doctor?Though not of medicine.
Why do you ask? Are you prone to outbursts of stroke-threatening radio-shouting rage?
Crumpet said:
They could really help us out here and say how many of those admissions are in people who’ve been vaccinated!
If they were all unvaccinated it would be a great advert to get reluctant people in for their vaccinations, which suggests to me that a lot of them are actually vaccinated people and the vaccine isn’t the magic bullet everyone is hoping for (I realise they haven’t promised that it is).
I still have no idea how elderly and vulnerable people are catching it, it’s either routine NHS and doctors check-ups or garden centres. My money is on the NHS.
32If they were all unvaccinated it would be a great advert to get reluctant people in for their vaccinations, which suggests to me that a lot of them are actually vaccinated people and the vaccine isn’t the magic bullet everyone is hoping for (I realise they haven’t promised that it is).
I still have no idea how elderly and vulnerable people are catching it, it’s either routine NHS and doctors check-ups or garden centres. My money is on the NHS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/20/exclus...
spikeyhead said:
youngsyr said:
spikeyhead said:
CarlosFandango11 said:
Fairly obviously, the big decision is at what level of vaccination will a level of herd immunity be reached that’s acceptable to, as you say, “open up businesses and just get on with it”.
Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
It's not the dying that's now the principal issue. It's more significant that the NHS has a 4.7 million case backlog that needs ploughing through. We're only three weeks from being able to sit inside a pub, and another month from everything opening up. Even with the current restrictions, hospital admissions due to covid are only falling be 10 to 20% a week. That will continue to improve as more people get jabbed, but get worse as more is opened up. Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
I've no idea what the perfect balance is for opening things up, but I don't think we're too far away from it.
In general, any % being quoted without the actual numbers is misleading, as 20% can be any number between the infinitely small and the infinitely large.
The important number here is the actual daily number of admissions, which is currently at 132, down from over 4,000 at the latest peak.
That does not make any logical sense. If the hospital admissions were at 1 million per day, than a 10% to 20% reduction would mean that restrictions couldn't be released.
If admissions are at 10 per day, then a 10% to 20% reduction in admission rate would indicate that they could be released.
The point is, citing 10% to 20% (or any percentage) is meaningless without stating what the base number behind it is.
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