How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 16)
Discussion
Adenauer said:
JeffreyD said:
IforB said:
Ouch. I hope you have a honking profit margin...
Unless my maths is out it's going to cost about 30 quid extra, once it's all wrapped up. Plus time expended.IforB said:
Feel free to post on the threads about Covid about that, that is after all what they are there for. This is one is about the EU negotiations in reference to the UK leaving the EU, so the analysis of an organisations such as Moody's on the final output from those negotiations is somewhat relevant.
If you want to discuss the appalling death toll and just how incompetently our Government has managed it and therefore are directly responsible for a significant number of the deaths and the economic damage that we will be suffering with for many years to come, then go for it, but there are plenty of threads already running on the matter.
In many ways they are interlinked. Boris's Greenwich speech a year ago illustrated the view from the outset. Britain was going to look to make money from this whilst others cowered. Not thinking long term. Promises of a false dawn, instead of the uncomfortable reality of what is happening locally is eye opening into the mindset of many people. If you want to discuss the appalling death toll and just how incompetently our Government has managed it and therefore are directly responsible for a significant number of the deaths and the economic damage that we will be suffering with for many years to come, then go for it, but there are plenty of threads already running on the matter.
Are trade negotiations aimed at people within Britain or opening up for the sake of it and unintentionally doing damage to iconic things within Britain? The recent NZ/Aussie free trade agreement illustrates this naivety on how the flow of trade will go.
Adenauer said:
For those of you that are actually interested and not just just here to squabble for the sake of it 
I've had the figures through for the truck that came to us from the UK this week.
The actual total amount it costs more per load was €227,11. So that's a 15% increase on the cost per load to us.
And we had to pay €5,807.42 Import VAT, obviously we get that back but it still makes me twitch.
Interesting, thanks. Apropos of the general subject, we have an issue getting freight to a (regular) French customer, through our normal shipping channel; they are unable to run the usual service this week, as they have so many drivers off with suspected COVID. I've had the figures through for the truck that came to us from the UK this week.
The actual total amount it costs more per load was €227,11. So that's a 15% increase on the cost per load to us.
And we had to pay €5,807.42 Import VAT, obviously we get that back but it still makes me twitch.
Digga said:
Adenauer said:
For those of you that are actually interested and not just just here to squabble for the sake of it
I've had the figures through for the truck that came to us from the UK this week.
The actual total amount it costs more per load was €227,11. So that's a 15% increase on the cost per load to us.
And we had to pay €5,807.42 Import VAT, obviously we get that back but it still makes me twitch.
Interesting, thanks. Apropos of the general subject, we have an issue getting freight to a (regular) French customer, through our normal shipping channel; they are unable to run the usual service this week, as they have so many drivers off with suspected COVID. I've had the figures through for the truck that came to us from the UK this week.
The actual total amount it costs more per load was €227,11. So that's a 15% increase on the cost per load to us.
And we had to pay €5,807.42 Import VAT, obviously we get that back but it still makes me twitch.
Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
Digga said:
Adenauer said:
For those of you that are actually interested and not just just here to squabble for the sake of it
I've had the figures through for the truck that came to us from the UK this week.
The actual total amount it costs more per load was €227,11. So that's a 15% increase on the cost per load to us.
And we had to pay €5,807.42 Import VAT, obviously we get that back but it still makes me twitch.
Interesting, thanks. Apropos of the general subject, we have an issue getting freight to a (regular) French customer, through our normal shipping channel; they are unable to run the usual service this week, as they have so many drivers off with suspected COVID. I've had the figures through for the truck that came to us from the UK this week.
The actual total amount it costs more per load was €227,11. So that's a 15% increase on the cost per load to us.
And we had to pay €5,807.42 Import VAT, obviously we get that back but it still makes me twitch.
rustednut said:
i don't think it is just the Covid issue that is limiting the number of trucks operating, probably not even the main reason, but it certainly isn't helping.
With this particular firm, that is the specific reason given at present. Given they are a.) very large and b.) generally extremely well organised (hence why we've used them to ship our product to at least three continents for many years) and good to deal with, we have no immediate reason to doubt the explicit nature of the information provided.Digga said:
rustednut said:
i don't think it is just the Covid issue that is limiting the number of trucks operating, probably not even the main reason, but it certainly isn't helping.
With this particular firm, that is the specific reason given at present. Given they are a.) very large and b.) generally extremely well organised (hence why we've used them to ship our product to at least three continents for many years) and good to deal with, we have no immediate reason to doubt the explicit nature of the information provided.This is my main concern for my industry, EU making a complete mess of vaccines so we cant get back to normal movements with continental Europe.
UK getting on top of this will help us survive just, but it's going to be a rough year again due to EU f
kwittery.jsf said:
Digga said:
rustednut said:
i don't think it is just the Covid issue that is limiting the number of trucks operating, probably not even the main reason, but it certainly isn't helping.
With this particular firm, that is the specific reason given at present. Given they are a.) very large and b.) generally extremely well organised (hence why we've used them to ship our product to at least three continents for many years) and good to deal with, we have no immediate reason to doubt the explicit nature of the information provided.This is my main concern for my industry, EU making a complete mess of vaccines so we cant get back to normal movements with continental Europe.
UK getting on top of this will help us survive just, but it's going to be a rough year again due to EU f
kwittery.Not sure what area of UK Digga is from, but in my area there are no problems with local and/or national freight deliveries, but lots of issues/delays with international, including continental drivers who refuse to take any loads back with them, which compounds the shortage of UK drivers to travel.
I am sure jsf knows the logistics business in this area better than I do and can explain why there is a shortage of transport (trailers) but not drivers, for UK delivery, only abroad. As i say Digga's area may be different, but here Covid isn't helping, but it is not the main reason why costs are up.
sunbeam alpine said:
Still struggling with our shipment. Cheapest price for delivery going via Dover-Calais we've received is £1800 (£600 pre-Brexit). Reflects the fact that companies don't want the risk of getting stuck in the queue for customs etc.
Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
That's bloody ridiculous, I'm currently paying €1200,00 for a full load, collect near Manchester and drop off to me near the Nürburgring.Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
We have another truck collecting today that should be with us in Germany on Thursday and another loading next Tuesday to be with us next Thursday.
You're being diddled, by an idiot.
Adenauer said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Still struggling with our shipment. Cheapest price for delivery going via Dover-Calais we've received is £1800 (£600 pre-Brexit). Reflects the fact that companies don't want the risk of getting stuck in the queue for customs etc.
Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
That's bloody ridiculous, I'm currently paying €1200,00 for a full load, collect near Manchester and drop off to me near the Nürburgring.Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
We have another truck collecting today that should be with us in Germany on Thursday and another loading next Tuesday to be with us next Thursday.
You're being diddled, by an idiot.
Maybe if you asked the same driver you had last time, he'd be less enthusiastic, and if he's an owner-operator, his price may be higher. Just to clarify, it's only Dover-Calais which is at a higher price. Zeebrugge is looking to be slightly cheaper than the pre-Brexit price, and also cheaper for customs as a T1 (whatever that is) isn't needed.
sunbeam alpine said:
Adenauer said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Still struggling with our shipment. Cheapest price for delivery going via Dover-Calais we've received is £1800 (£600 pre-Brexit). Reflects the fact that companies don't want the risk of getting stuck in the queue for customs etc.
Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
That's bloody ridiculous, I'm currently paying €1200,00 for a full load, collect near Manchester and drop off to me near the Nürburgring.Now looking at an unaccompanied container into Zeebrugge. Avoids the problem of a lorry (plus driver) being tied up, and saves £100 on the customs costs. Still have no idea when the shipment will arrive. I've genuinely stopped caring.
We have another truck collecting today that should be with us in Germany on Thursday and another loading next Tuesday to be with us next Thursday.
You're being diddled, by an idiot.
Maybe if you asked the same driver you had last time, he'd be less enthusiastic, and if he's an owner-operator, his price may be higher. Just to clarify, it's only Dover-Calais which is at a higher price. Zeebrugge is looking to be slightly cheaper than the pre-Brexit price, and also cheaper for customs as a T1 (whatever that is) isn't needed.
The T1 isn't needed as you're not shifting the load through France before processing through Belgian customs.
sunbeam alpine said:
In fairness to them, it's the same transport company I've used since 2003. They're copying me in on their mails, so I've seen the effort they're having to put in as well.
Maybe if you asked the same driver you had last time, he'd be less enthusiastic, and if he's an owner-operator, his price may be higher. Just to clarify, it's only Dover-Calais which is at a higher price. Zeebrugge is looking to be slightly cheaper than the pre-Brexit price, and also cheaper for customs as a T1 (whatever that is) isn't needed.
I'm using the same transport company in the UK that we've used for the last 5 years or so. And always Dover - Calais.Maybe if you asked the same driver you had last time, he'd be less enthusiastic, and if he's an owner-operator, his price may be higher. Just to clarify, it's only Dover-Calais which is at a higher price. Zeebrugge is looking to be slightly cheaper than the pre-Brexit price, and also cheaper for customs as a T1 (whatever that is) isn't needed.
I just sent them an Email asking for an ETA for today's collection, and generally what we are currently looking at as crossing times.
-Hi Karl,
We are loading today as requested – Delivery ETA Thursday with you.
Transit time should not really be affected too much perhaps just a matter of hours if anything, especially as we have all the relevant
procedures in place.
The only difficulties we’d had so far is when the Haulier has delays on their import loads due to others not quite getting things right yet!-
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