The Right Honourable Matt Hancock MP
Discussion
So I was watching the Covid Inquiry last week and Hancock was presenting and it seems to me he hasn't exactly done anything wrong, and the yet people outside were heckling with the word murder. Why? Some people called his book a rewrite of history but I have followed the news and despite reading some online articles in which people criticise him, they have not actually said what he has said to be inaccurate or wrong. I thought he did a good job on the stand but people are not really listening to the science of why this virus was so bad, it was a new virus which had no symptoms and this had never happened before, it had a ridiculous incubation period so people who did know had spread it around by the time they knew and what's worse is it was very highly transmissible. I feel it's more than a tad unfair to call him a murderer. Your thoughts?
IAmTheWalrus said:
geeks said:
I mean, the affair in the middle of covid didn't really do much to endear him to the wider populace...
I personally don't think him having an affair is anyone's business but his.
deckster said:
IAmTheWalrus said:
geeks said:
I mean, the affair in the middle of covid didn't really do much to endear him to the wider populace...
I personally don't think him having an affair is anyone's business but his.IAmTheWalrus said:
deckster said:
IAmTheWalrus said:
geeks said:
I mean, the affair in the middle of covid didn't really do much to endear him to the wider populace...
I personally don't think him having an affair is anyone's business but his.The fact that you don't agree changes nothing. People dislike him because he comes across as an odious slimey hypocrite. We don't need evidence as these are opinions and beliefs, not empirical facts.
IAmTheWalrus said:
deckster said:
IAmTheWalrus said:
geeks said:
I mean, the affair in the middle of covid didn't really do much to endear him to the wider populace...
I personally don't think him having an affair is anyone's business but his.He's a public employee having an affair with another public employee when he was on the clock and wasn't meant to near them! That kind of makes it our business.
Also did you not see the Whatsapp messages that were leaked? And you still think he did a stand up job?
IAmTheWalrus said:
So I was watching the Covid Inquiry last week and Hancock was presenting and it seems to me he hasn't exactly done anything wrong, and the yet people outside were heckling with the word murder. Why? Some people called his book a rewrite of history but I have followed the news and despite reading some online articles in which people criticise him, they have not actually said what he has said to be inaccurate or wrong. I thought he did a good job on the stand but people are not really listening to the science of why this virus was so bad, it was a new virus which had no symptoms and this had never happened before, it had a ridiculous incubation period so people who did know had spread it around by the time they knew and what's worse is it was very highly transmissible. I feel it's more than a tad unfair to call him a murderer. Your thoughts?
Some very basic googling:1) Numerous breaches of the lockdown regs (including the affair, but also drinking on the commons bar beyond curfew
2) Lying about the national shortage of PPE saying there "never" was a shortage
3) Whacking old people with COVID into care homes, possibly causing the untimely death of many people
4) Awarding PPE contracts to family firms (with no history of you know, making PPE)
5) Getting 300k to appear in the jungle
Calling him a murder is hyperbole, but in my opinion comes across a slippery, odious little
like many others in the party. ant1973 said:
Great FT article on this from the ever readable Jemma Kelly:-
https://archive.ph/Nqifg
"The reality, though, is that where many newspapers stand on this seems to be less determined by ethics and more by their position on the government’s response to the pandemic. And this brings up a more important ethical issue: basic journalistic principles — courage, fairness, independence and the pursuit of truth — are too often considered less important than planting a flag in a particular ideological corner.
As far as I’m concerned, the idea that a former minister who had hired someone to write a?propagandistic memoir for him should be thought of as a “confidential source” needing protection is something of a stretch. However, I also find my eyes rolling skyward when I see Oakeshott saying that the reason she leaked the messages was in order to avoid a “whitewash” of the government’s pandemic response, when it seems to me that she quite happily spent a year writing the former health minister’s whitewashed Pandemic Diaries."
Nails the increasingly "this is my truth" style of reporting in the press in general especially over Covid, Russia, Immigration, Brexit and the like.
i found his pandemic diaries interesting as obviously all from his viewpoint but you can see all the politicians and advisers hanging each out to dry even during covidhttps://archive.ph/Nqifg
"The reality, though, is that where many newspapers stand on this seems to be less determined by ethics and more by their position on the government’s response to the pandemic. And this brings up a more important ethical issue: basic journalistic principles — courage, fairness, independence and the pursuit of truth — are too often considered less important than planting a flag in a particular ideological corner.
As far as I’m concerned, the idea that a former minister who had hired someone to write a?propagandistic memoir for him should be thought of as a “confidential source” needing protection is something of a stretch. However, I also find my eyes rolling skyward when I see Oakeshott saying that the reason she leaked the messages was in order to avoid a “whitewash” of the government’s pandemic response, when it seems to me that she quite happily spent a year writing the former health minister’s whitewashed Pandemic Diaries."
Nails the increasingly "this is my truth" style of reporting in the press in general especially over Covid, Russia, Immigration, Brexit and the like.
deckster said:
But you didn't ask for evidence. You asked why people hated him.
The fact that you don't agree changes nothing. People dislike him because he comes across as an odious slimey hypocrite. We don't need evidence as these are opinions and beliefs, not empirical facts.
This could be said about many politicians. He does not deserve to be called murderer just because he happened to be in charge of health at the time. The fact that you don't agree changes nothing. People dislike him because he comes across as an odious slimey hypocrite. We don't need evidence as these are opinions and beliefs, not empirical facts.
eccles said:
He had an affair with an employee when you weren't meant to be close to people not in your bubble!Did you not see the news at the time?
He's a public employee having an affair with another public employee when he was on the clock and wasn't meant to near them! That kind of makes it our business.
Also did you not see the Whatsapp messages that were leaked? And you still think he did a stand up job?
If he is having an affair with her, then he most certainly is within her bubble, if not something else if you get my drift...He's a public employee having an affair with another public employee when he was on the clock and wasn't meant to near them! That kind of makes it our business.
Also did you not see the Whatsapp messages that were leaked? And you still think he did a stand up job?
IAmTheWalrus said:
deckster said:
IAmTheWalrus said:
geeks said:
I mean, the affair in the middle of covid didn't really do much to endear him to the wider populace...
I personally don't think him having an affair is anyone's business but his.Being at work, fq me even having a piece of cake is broadly fine. But Hancock took that over the line and was caught on ccTV in his workplace doing so.
I had no issue with much of what he said or did during Covid. It was an impossible situation. But that bit sunk him and rightly so.
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