Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[ant1973]

ant1973 said:

Greedydog said:

ant1973 said:

Wolffe asked this morning why the Parliament was lettered but not the Speccy.

Completely avoided answering the question.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/

It astounds me that witnesses are being allowed to get away with this. Surely, if an answer is not given to a legitimate question it should be asked again, and if the witness refuses to answer then the refusal is noted for appropriate escalation before the committee move on?

He was also asked when Swinney first approach the LA to release the legal advice.

Answer?

Yesterday.

The context to this is that the government have spent months implying that the LA was the blockage to release.

This whole episode is increasingly ridiculous.

[irc]

Because parliament rolled over whereas the Speccy would have been back at court.

And because the worry wasn't that the info was public vbut that the committee would be able to use it.

[ant1973]

ant1973 said:

ant1973 said:

Greedydog said:

ant1973 said:

Wolffe asked this morning why the Parliament was lettered but not the Speccy.

Completely avoided answering the question.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/

It astounds me that witnesses are being allowed to get away with this. Surely, if an answer is not given to a legitimate question it should be asked again, and if the witness refuses to answer then the refusal is noted for appropriate escalation before the committee move on?

He was also asked when Swinney first approach the LA to release the legal advice.

Answer?

Yesterday.

The context to this is that the government have spent months implying that the LA was the blockage to release.

This whole episode is increasingly ridiculous.

In his letter to the committee, Mr Swinney said that “even if ministers take the decision that the balance of public interest favours disclosure in a particular case, they must obtain the prior consent of law officers and that consent will be given only if there are ‘compelling reasons'”.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

Swinney should resign over this. To have written the above letter when they had not even asked the LA to release the information is appalling.

To quote the late Ian Archer (in a different context) the SNP Government are a "permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace".

[Greedydog]

ant1973 said:

ant1973 said:

Greedydog said:

ant1973 said:

Wolffe asked this morning why the Parliament was lettered but not the Speccy.

Completely avoided answering the question.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/

It astounds me that witnesses are being allowed to get away with this. Surely, if an answer is not given to a legitimate question it should be asked again, and if the witness refuses to answer then the refusal is noted for appropriate escalation before the committee move on?

He was also asked when Swinney first approach the LA to release the legal advice.

Answer?

Yesterday.

The context to this is that the government have spent months implying that the LA was the blockage to release.

This whole episode is increasingly ridiculous.

There have been so many deliberately obstructive actions i've lost track of what has actually been said and done. Was this implied, or did they not actually say the LA was the blockage?

Just read your next post. What a disgrace.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

biggbn said:

I have always liked Galloway

Well this certainly sounds like the type of rhetoric we need in Holyrood, Sturgeons worst nightmare, someone
who wants to know the truth and has no qualms about seeking it.

Go George.... https://twitter.com/i/status/1366689994006548483

[Earthdweller]

Leithen said:

57 Chevy said:

Apart from all the other shenanigans, I think this could cost SNP seats in the election...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471

Moving the goal posts again. It will be bad when footage of people sitting in the pub in England is all over the TV. The SNP have the younger, working class vote, those will be most hit by this continual tightening of restrictions.

Yup, faced with every reason to lift restrictions, Sturgeon along with her cabal of fanatical zero-covid and prohibitionist inner circle desperately move to find ways to keep everyone in fear of COVID VARIANTS!

One can only hope these are the dying gasps of a tired, redundant, corrupt administration who have completely lost touch with reality.

It’s not just Scotland, it’s the whole devolution across the nation

Look at Drakeford in Wales

Some of the towns/villages on the Welsh/English border sit across the line

It will be interesting watching the Welsh police trying to stop people crossing a road for a haircut or pint!

[csd19]

Leithen said:

57 Chevy said:

Apart from all the other shenanigans, I think this could cost SNP seats in the election...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471

Moving the goal posts again. It will be bad when footage of people sitting in the pub in England is all over the TV. The SNP have the younger, working class vote, those will be most hit by this continual tightening of restrictions.

Yup, faced with every reason to lift restrictions, Sturgeon along with her cabal of fanatical zero-covid and prohibitionist inner circle desperately move to find ways to keep everyone in fear of COVID VARIANTS!

One can only hope these are the dying gasps of a tired, redundant, corrupt administration who have completely lost touch with reality.

Do you think we'll ever get back to tier -1? Or will this just prove to be a continuation of a bent government's control freakery? Going for "elimination" of a virus, what utter incompetence.

Unbelievable. At exactly the point where people are wanting some normality we get hit with ever tighter restrictions. Under the current rules I'd be in Tier 1, with the new interference it'll be tier 3!! WTAF.

[Lim]

Erm England has had the strictest lockdown in the world, over the course of the pandemic. Add up days under lockdown, England on top on most metrics.

Edited by Lim on Tuesday 2nd March 11:20

[Earthdweller]

Lim said:

Erm England has had the strictest lockdown in the world, over the course of the pandemic.

No it hasn’t ... far far from it

And you don’t have to look far .. just look at Ireland

[Ridgemont]

Greedydog said:

ant1973 said:

ant1973 said:

Greedydog said:

ant1973 said:

Wolffe asked this morning why the Parliament was lettered but not the Speccy.

Completely avoided answering the question.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/

It astounds me that witnesses are being allowed to get away with this. Surely, if an answer is not given to a legitimate question it should be asked again, and if the witness refuses to answer then the refusal is noted for appropriate escalation before the committee move on?

He was also asked when Swinney first approach the LA to release the legal advice.

Answer?

Yesterday.

The context to this is that the government have spent months implying that the LA was the blockage to release.

This whole episode is increasingly ridiculous.

There have been so many deliberately obstructive actions i've lost track of what has actually been said and done. Was this implied, or did they not actually say the LA was the blockage?

Just read your next post. What a disgrace.

That’s actually astonishing. I’m not sure why Wolffe isn’t dropping a bk about this as it’s putting him in an invidious position.

[Leithen]

Fear not, once this is all over in 2055 there'll be a full enquiry into what happened by a Scottish Parliament Committee.

All the key decisions were noted at the time by the Permanent Scottish Secretary in one of her notebooks. For some reason there are proving difficult to find however.

There will be historic virtual tours with astonishing examples of where human beings used to meet - theatres, pubs, offices. There's even the remarkable suggestion that friends and families used to gather to be at each other's weddings!

[TheJimi]

Lim said:

Erm England has had the strictest lockdown in the world, over the course of the pandemic. Add up days under lockdown, England on top on most metrics.

Edited by Lim on Tuesday 2nd March 11:20

Strictest lockdown in the word?

Seriously, at least pretend to do some research before spouting such bks.

[Lim]

TheJimi said:

Strictest lockdown in the word?

Seriously, at least pretend to do some research before spouting such bks.

It looks like Argentina and a couple of other American countries were a bit stricter .

But amongst similar countries, UK is exceptional. I don't think Scotland is much different to England, but I think it it were broken out, our schools etc were open a bit longer?



https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c...

Edited by Lim on Tuesday 2nd March 13:10

[Ridgemont]

Lim said:

TheJimi said:

Strictest lockdown in the word?

Seriously, at least pretend to do some research before spouting such bks.

Don't be rude. Or show your working. If you going to make such bold insults, at least submit some content of your own. Otherwise it's just an insult. Pure and simple.

But you are right, looks like Argentina and a couple of other American countries were a bit stricter .

Nice colours. Is that a pH test?

[GadgeS3C]

Don't panic - the BBC has decided independence has happened.

Quote from this article - "Or are they the prime suspects in the woeful lack of productivity growth that has long beset the UK and Scottish economies?"

I must have missed the overnight news! FREEDOM!!!

[sherman]

Lim said:

Edited by Lim on Tuesday 2nd March 11:44

What is the context of this chart?
It tells you nothing. Its a list of countries with coloured lines.
If you dont link to what or where the chart is from thats just a pointless picture.

[TheJimi]

Lim said:

TheJimi said:

Strictest lockdown in the word?

Seriously, at least pretend to do some research before spouting such bks.

Don't be rude. Or show your working. If you going to make such bold insults, at least submit some content of your own. Otherwise it's just an insult. Pure and simple.

But you are right, looks like Argentina and a couple of other American countries were a bit stricter .

But amongst similar countries, UK is exceptional. I don't think Scotland is much different to England, but I think it it were broken out, our schools etc were open a bit longer?

At least we can go on holiday.

Edited by Lim on Tuesday 2nd March 11:45

It's called losing patience.

Has England had:

Curfews?

Fines in the order of thousands for being outwith a local or given area?

Have people been confined to their homes, and enforced so?

All those things have happened elsewhere - and in western countries (and Aus)

So no, not strictest, not by quite some margin.

[Lim]

sherman said:

What is the context of this chart?
It tells you nothing. Its a list of countries with coloured lines.
If you dont link to what or where the chart is from thats just a pointless picture.

The person who brought it up didn't exactly set a high bar to beat, re evidence .

I suggest we all move on there is more interesting stuff going on.

[TheJimi]

Lim said:

TheJimi said:

It's called losing patience.

Make an effort.

Right back at you dude - you're the one spouting ill-informed nonsense.

[ant1973]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19128614.john-...

Swinney needs to resign. Parliament has quite obviously been misled. I am in no doubt that the advice at the outset of the legal process would have been the same: "bound to fail".

Can't run an HR investigation but want to be responsible for us becoming an independent nation? Don't make me laugh.