Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10
Discussion
Lim said:
Sure. As soon as the real truth comes out on how closely NS stuck to process, Alex's true, very non-pervy nature will be clear to all.However, you might want to read Salmond's entire disposition to James Hamilton as it appears Alex is entirely aware of the attempts to close-down the investigation of her breach of the Ministerial Code to one or two specific questions of procedure and he has that covered. Sturgeon clearly has something to hide and there are enough people around who know what it is that she cannot control all of them.
LimJim - I see you have deleted your comment regarding the last line of my previous-to-the-above post.
I now suspect that you are indeed here to spread specific information and opinion from the Sturgeon camp (not necessarily because you have been charged to, but certainly through choice), because your unprincipled, one-sided view of the issue and reference to procedure could only have come from someone interested enough in the process to be aware of Sturgeon's proposed defence.
That and your constant reference to Sturgeon's popularity!
You clearly have a vested interest in Sturgeon rather than the SNP or independence.
I now suspect that you are indeed here to spread specific information and opinion from the Sturgeon camp (not necessarily because you have been charged to, but certainly through choice), because your unprincipled, one-sided view of the issue and reference to procedure could only have come from someone interested enough in the process to be aware of Sturgeon's proposed defence.
That and your constant reference to Sturgeon's popularity!
You clearly have a vested interest in Sturgeon rather than the SNP or independence.
Evercross said:
LimJim - I see you have deleted your comment regarding the last line of my previous-to-the-above post.
I now suspect that you are indeed here to spread specific information and opinion from the Sturgeon camp (not necessarily because you have been charged to, but certainly through choice), because your unprincipled, one-sided view of the issue and reference to procedure could only have come from someone interested enough in the process to be aware of Sturgeon's proposed defence.
That and your constant reference to Sturgeon's popularity!
You clearly have a vested interest in Sturgeon rather than the SNP or independence.
The silly statement issued by the spokesperson last night is a guarantee of a legal letter on Monday....I now suspect that you are indeed here to spread specific information and opinion from the Sturgeon camp (not necessarily because you have been charged to, but certainly through choice), because your unprincipled, one-sided view of the issue and reference to procedure could only have come from someone interested enough in the process to be aware of Sturgeon's proposed defence.
That and your constant reference to Sturgeon's popularity!
You clearly have a vested interest in Sturgeon rather than the SNP or independence.
Hope it has not come from someone on the public payroll.
Is this going to be a real issue, and cause actual problems for the Scottish government?
Over various threads on P/H there is quite a bit of fighting talk and fairly wild claims, most of which tend not to have any bearing on reality.
Main stream media seem only a little bit interested in this story at the moment, the BBC ran a small piece on the Friday night 10 o’clock news, but otherwise it seems quite quiet compared to some of the excitement on here. Will this be another story that quietly blows over, or is this just the start of what is going to become a much bigger story over the coming months??
Over various threads on P/H there is quite a bit of fighting talk and fairly wild claims, most of which tend not to have any bearing on reality.
Main stream media seem only a little bit interested in this story at the moment, the BBC ran a small piece on the Friday night 10 o’clock news, but otherwise it seems quite quiet compared to some of the excitement on here. Will this be another story that quietly blows over, or is this just the start of what is going to become a much bigger story over the coming months??
OK so assuming nippy & Salmond self destruct, who is going to step in to fill the void?
Bunter Blackford?
I still can't see the SNP dying until SLab get their s
t together and represent Scotland's socialist views, no one else is going to do it, strange as Labour could use those Scottish seats to aid it tremendously in a GE scenario.
Bunter Blackford?
I still can't see the SNP dying until SLab get their s
t together and represent Scotland's socialist views, no one else is going to do it, strange as Labour could use those Scottish seats to aid it tremendously in a GE scenario.techguyone said:
OK so assuming nippy & Salmond self destruct, who is going to step in to fill the void?
Bunter Blackford?
The obvious choice is Joanna Cherry but that would end the Murrell dynasty.Bunter Blackford?
Sturgeon wanted Derek MacKay to be her successor (more evidence of her poor judgement), and the machinations of the enquiry to stall the evidence of the Murrells' misdeeds, the changes to eligibility criteria for selection to bar Cherry from standing for Holyrood, and the existence of 'Progress Scotland' as an arms-length propaganda machine designed to raise Sturgeon's personal profile are all down to having to engineer a route for her (and Peter's) second choice of replacement, Angus Robertson, to get a shot at the title.
sanf said:
Is this going to be a real issue, and cause actual problems for the Scottish government?
Over various threads on P/H there is quite a bit of fighting talk and fairly wild claims, most of which tend not to have any bearing on reality.
Main stream media seem only a little bit interested in this story at the moment, the BBC ran a small piece on the Friday night 10 o’clock news, but otherwise it seems quite quiet compared to some of the excitement on here. Will this be another story that quietly blows over, or is this just the start of what is going to become a much bigger story over the coming months??
It's hard to tell. I've been wondering the same thing. There will be some details press can't talk about. But you would expect more. I don't hear about it other than here. But then again I don't read tabloids or murdoch rags, so I'm probably insulated from it. Over various threads on P/H there is quite a bit of fighting talk and fairly wild claims, most of which tend not to have any bearing on reality.
Main stream media seem only a little bit interested in this story at the moment, the BBC ran a small piece on the Friday night 10 o’clock news, but otherwise it seems quite quiet compared to some of the excitement on here. Will this be another story that quietly blows over, or is this just the start of what is going to become a much bigger story over the coming months??
As far as I can tell it's fairly binary. If she is guilty, she will probably go. If not she will probably push on, but she has been in the job for quite a while now, so you have to wonder how long she can keep it up in any case.
My guess is it will be Cummings style. She will survive but leave in a couple of years, at least partly on her own terms.
Lim said:
My guess is it will be Cummings style. She will survive but leave in a couple of years, at least partly on her own terms.
Loving how you invoke Cummings - desperate!You are correct about it being binary though - if James Hamilton independently concludes Sturgeon has breached the Ministerial Code there will be a vote of no confidence against her in Holyrood which she will certainly lose and she will be removed from office.
The fact that you suggest she could 'hold on' is just another demonstration of your ignorance/wilful misrepresentation.
Evercross said:
Loving how you invoke Cummings - desperate!
You are correct about it being binary though - if James Hamilton independently concludes Sturgeon has breached the Ministerial Code there will be a vote of no confidence against her in Holyrood which she will certainly lose and she will be removed from office.
The fact that you suggest she could 'hold on' is just another demonstration of your ignorance/wilful misrepresentation.
How can it be binary, but also false that she could hold on?You are correct about it being binary though - if James Hamilton independently concludes Sturgeon has breached the Ministerial Code there will be a vote of no confidence against her in Holyrood which she will certainly lose and she will be removed from office.
The fact that you suggest she could 'hold on' is just another demonstration of your ignorance/wilful misrepresentation.
Lim said:
How can it be binary, but also false that she could hold on?
Lim said:
As far as I can tell it's fairly binary. If she is guilty, she will probably go.
No probably in it.Lim said:
If not she will probably push on...
No st!Lim said:
....but she has been in the job for quite a while now, so you have to wonder how long she can keep it up in any case.
Which is true of every politician, ever. Hardly insightful.sanf said:
Is this going to be a real issue, and cause actual problems for the Scottish government?
Over various threads on P/H there is quite a bit of fighting talk and fairly wild claims, most of which tend not to have any bearing on reality.
Main stream media seem only a little bit interested in this story at the moment, the BBC ran a small piece on the Friday night 10 o’clock news, but otherwise it seems quite quiet compared to some of the excitement on here. Will this be another story that quietly blows over, or is this just the start of what is going to become a much bigger story over the coming months??
I think the story will just gather momentum, and get bigger.Over various threads on P/H there is quite a bit of fighting talk and fairly wild claims, most of which tend not to have any bearing on reality.
Main stream media seem only a little bit interested in this story at the moment, the BBC ran a small piece on the Friday night 10 o’clock news, but otherwise it seems quite quiet compared to some of the excitement on here. Will this be another story that quietly blows over, or is this just the start of what is going to become a much bigger story over the coming months??
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9127757/A...
Lim said:
It's hard to tell. I've been wondering the same thing. There will be some details press can't talk about. But you would expect more. I don't hear about it other than here. But then again I don't read tabloids or murdoch rags, so I'm probably insulated from it.
As far as I can tell it's fairly binary. If she is guilty, she will probably go. If not she will probably push on, but she has been in the job for quite a while now, so you have to wonder how long she can keep it up in any case.
My guess is it will be Cummings style. She will survive but leave in a couple of years, at least partly on her own terms.
Seems to be on the front page of almost every rag in Scotland, including the National As far as I can tell it's fairly binary. If she is guilty, she will probably go. If not she will probably push on, but she has been in the job for quite a while now, so you have to wonder how long she can keep it up in any case.
My guess is it will be Cummings style. She will survive but leave in a couple of years, at least partly on her own terms.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55600294
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