Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Edinburger]

Lim said:

Edinburger said:

I think I owe a few people an apology here - I had dismissed this whole story for a while as mere tabloid sensationalism, but it’s been far bigger than I’d realised. An eye opening story for the last few days.

By the way, I can’t see Sturgeon surviving this. I think she’ll go and it’ll be the beginning of the end of the SNP’s mass popularity. I don’t think independence supporters will vanish. I think their mass support will soon be spread across more than one party.

ETA I thought Salmond was excellent on Friday. He acted like a true statesman.

I think it largely depends on her testimony. She claims to have a few grenades of her own. Will be worth a watch

It’ll be interesting to see how this week goes...

[hiccy18]

jshell said:

That's now a tortuous path. First we need shot of the corrupt bullies who run Scotland now. Then we need elections. After that we need to look at whether another ref is apt ot not.

But, first we need shot of the shyte who have lied, deceived, conspired and treated the Scottish parliament with contempt. Who've been responsible for economic damage, educational standards dropping, NHS standards dropping, businesses failing.

Then we have a chance.

Well said.

The independence supporters have been misled: after '14 the effort should have been to understand the resistance and win the middle ground, instead the Sturgeon regime has attempted bullying deception. The persuasive path to independence (if that's the countries endgoal) may be longer, but it's surer.

For the 55% coalition government has to be the goal, one where the national parties have to be involved, curbing the free reign of the believers.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Lim said:

However she is pretty good at what she does.

Deceit... Hubris...outright Lies...failing Scotland...having the highest drug death rate in Europe....
Corruption... Education statistics... Care Home deaths.... Division.... Blame shifting....And on and
on and on and on and on and on.

Spot on for once Lothian Lim Jim, she is absolutely top dog at Failure.

[Lim]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Lim said:

However she is pretty good at what she does.

Deceit... Hubris...outright Lies...failing Scotland...having the highest drug death rate in Europe....
Corruption... Education statistics... Care Home deaths.... Division.... Blame shifting....And on and
on and on and on and on and on.

Spot on for once Lothian Lim Jim, she is absolutely top dog at Failure.

Okay. But you missed out ‘win lots of seats’.

[DocJock]

Edinburger said:

ETA I thought Salmond was excellent on Friday. He acted like a true statesman.

I have said for years that he is the most accomplished politician in the UK by a country mile. Whether or not that is a compliment or not I'm not so sure.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Lim said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Lim said:

However she is pretty good at what she does.

Deceit... Hubris...outright Lies...failing Scotland...having the highest drug death rate in Europe....
Corruption... Education statistics... Care Home deaths.... Division.... Blame shifting....And on and
on and on and on and on and on.

Spot on for once Lothian Lim Jim, she is absolutely top dog at Failure.

Okay. But you missed out ‘win lots of seats’.

Never enough for a majority though eh , failed at that as well. Failure.

[Edinburger]

DocJock said:

Edinburger said:

ETA I thought Salmond was excellent on Friday. He acted like a true statesman.

I have said for years that he is the most accomplished politician in the UK by a country mile. Whether or not that is a compliment or not I'm not so sure.

I’d agree with you.

[Quisling]

Edinburger said:

I think I owe a few people an apology here - I had dismissed this whole story for a while as mere tabloid sensationalism, but it’s been far bigger than I’d realised. An eye opening story for the last few days.

By the way, I can’t see Sturgeon surviving this. I think she’ll go and it’ll be the beginning of the end of the SNP’s mass popularity. I don’t think independence supporters will vanish. I think their mass support will soon be spread across more than one party.

ETA I thought Salmond was excellent on Friday. He acted like a true statesman.

What a shocker

Scottish politicians acting like

politicians


Maybe the problem is related to them being politicians

And not what postcode they pretend to live in YES Alyn Smith i'm looking at you


Worked out why i'm sceptical about why independence might not bring in a new breed of politicians ?

[WindyCommon]

Quisling said:

Maybe the problem is related to them being politicians
?

This. And the politicians in the devolved administrations are worse than those working where there is real accountability. Scotland and Wales are an experiment in client states, and show what can happen when there is no effective challenge from the institutions of state or the media. Oh, and a magic money tree...

[irc]

Quisling said:

So

I should vote for the flag waving idiot that is most likely to beat the idiot waving a different flag


The problem is

I couldn't care less about flags

I just want someone who is going to do a decent job of running Scotland

Well unless you think the current govt has done that it'sd time someone else has a go. Select the least idiotic candidate.

[is-uk]

Brian Wilson of the Scotsman is now calling out that it has been obvious for sometime to any political observers that the daily Covid briefings have been used by Sturgeon as a political platform after she realised nobody was stopping her.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/n...

[biggbn]

Quisling said:

So

I should vote for the flag waving idiot that is most likely to beat the idiot waving a different flag


The problem is

I couldn't care less about flags

I just want someone who is going to do a decent job of running Scotland

On that we are in 100% agreement Q

[biggbn]

DocJock said:

I have said for years that he is the most accomplished politician in the UK by a country mile. Whether or not that is a compliment or not I'm not so sure.

Have said similar, said similar about Blair also, can't abide either of them!!

[NoddyonNitrous]

DocJock said:

I have said for years that he is the most accomplished politician in the UK by a country mile. Whether or not that is a compliment or not I'm not so sure.

And then you remember his lies about the legal advice about rejoining the EU, the £250M to set up the Scottish state apparatus, the lack of a plan for banking and currency, and you think 'if this is the most accomplished politician, we're phuqed'.

[sherman]

NoddyonNitrous said:

DocJock said:

I have said for years that he is the most accomplished politician in the UK by a country mile. Whether or not that is a compliment or not I'm not so sure.

And then you remember his lies about the legal advice about rejoining the EU, the £250M to set up the Scottish state apparatus, the lack of a plan for banking and currency, and you think 'if this is the most accomplished politician, we're phuqed'.

He is one of the best orators in public speaking.
His political views on the other hand are more dubious.

[hidetheelephants]

sherman said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

DocJock said:

I have said for years that he is the most accomplished politician in the UK by a country mile. Whether or not that is a compliment or not I'm not so sure.

And then you remember his lies about the legal advice about rejoining the EU, the £250M to set up the Scottish state apparatus, the lack of a plan for banking and currency, and you think 'if this is the most accomplished politician, we're phuqed'.

He is one of the best orators in public speaking.
His political views on the other hand are more dubious.

The gift of oratory is often bestowed on the undeserving; see George Galloway for details.

[Quisling]

hidetheelephants said:

The gift of oratory is often bestowed on the undeserving; see George Galloway for details.

I so hope he gets into holyrood gravy train

it will be great fun to see him tearing the SNP a new hole on a daily basis

[sbarclay62]

Edinburger said:

I think I owe a few people an apology here - I had dismissed this whole story for a while as mere tabloid sensationalism, but it’s been far bigger than I’d realised. An eye opening story for the last few days.

By the way, I can’t see Sturgeon surviving this. I think she’ll go and it’ll be the beginning of the end of the SNP’s mass popularity. I don’t think independence supporters will vanish. I think their mass support will soon be spread across more than one party.

ETA I thought Salmond was excellent on Friday. He acted like a true statesman.

I'm not sure at all. Purely because of a lack of alternatives.

Been reading/listening/watching Anas Sawrar's interview and other than having brown skin and being muslim what does he and SLabour offer that the other parties don't?

Leader of a "working class left leaning labour party" but sends his kids to private school, his family businesses that allegedly use zero hour contracts. Just another centrist who'll do and say whatever the Westminster party tells him to. No different to Willie Rennie or Douglas Ross so they'll continue to scrap it out for the Unionst votes and the SNP will take the vast majority of the indy supporters vote and we'll see a slight increase in the number of Green MSP's via the second vote.

SLabour missed a real trick there with Monica Lennon. Open minded on indy, quite progressive and left leaning. With this current SNP/Scottish Government I think she could've took alot of votes of the SNP from those centre left/left.

[Lim]

We need opposition primary based in Scotland or the whole thing needs ditching. Nothing else will make a dent. Nobody in the Scottish tories has a seat at the table, not even the union committee.

ISP had a recent fundraiser that flopped. SNP vote intention remains high. I agree indy is dead without sturgeon, as faction war will break out without her grip. But SNP will have a near majority until a Scotland based party emerges, of whatever stripe. Or devo somehow collapses?

[hiccy18]

sbarclay62 said:

I'm not sure at all. Purely because of a lack of alternatives.

Been reading/listening/watching Anas Sawrar's interview and other than having brown skin and being muslim what does he and SLabour offer that the other parties don't?

Leader of a "working class left leaning labour party" but sends his kids to private school, his family businesses that allegedly use zero hour contracts. Just another centrist who'll do and say whatever the Westminster party tells him to. No different to Willie Rennie or Douglas Ross so they'll continue to scrap it out for the Unionst votes and the SNP will take the vast majority of the indy supporters vote and we'll see a slight increase in the number of Green MSP's via the second vote.

SLabour missed a real trick there with Monica Lennon. Open minded on indy, quite progressive and left leaning. With this current SNP/Scottish Government I think she could've took alot of votes of the SNP from those centre left/left.

I don't agree with your assessments of Sarwar and Lennon: traditionally the muslim vote (at least in Glasgow) has gone to Labour but has been mostly lost to the SNP, Sarwar by virtue of birth will at least open doors (and the family name used to carry great weight in Pollokshields). Secondly he has the right message of inclusivity, of building bridges not division, which will appeal to the opponents of independence (not "Unionists"!) and encourage regional votes.

Lennon, on the other hand, is offputting for opponents of independence precisely because she has attempted to court the nationalist vote. I do not believe that disenchanted nationalists would vote for Lennon over Sturgeon, or ISP or similar.