Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[irc]

contango said:

I have suggested this before, sturgeon should make plans for the next leader.

The shortlist should be a minimum of, trans, bame with some form of disability (other than tourettes).

This would truly reflect scotland in the 21st century, as well as being a beautiful thing to behold?

It makes sense. The SNP are currently selecting list MSP candidates on the basis that they are disabled rather than the best person for the job. Requiring a First. Minister to be trans is just another step along that road.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19054674.snp-bac...

Other parties have had disabled MPs who got there on ability. What is it about the SNP that needs quotas. Unconscious bias?

[Evercross]

contango said:

The shortlist should be a minimum of, trans, bame with some form of disability (other than tourettes).

ISWYDT

irc said:

It makes sense. The SNP are currently selecting list MSP candidates on the basis that they are disabled rather than the best person for the job. Requiring a First. Minister to be trans is just another step along that road.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19054674.snp-bac...

Other parties have had disabled MPs who got there on ability. What is it about the SNP that needs quotas. Unconscious bias?

Nothing whatsoever wrong with the intention, but as with everything under the watchful eye (except when they weren't looking and can't remember) of the Murrell management the problem is with the implementation.

So as to be consistent with the notion of self-identification of gender the selection rules are permitting self-identification of disability.

Would it be unkind to suggest that wanting to stand for an elected position in the SNP while the Murrells are in charge would automatically qualify as a mental disorder?

Edited by Evercross on Friday 5th March 12:29

[Quisling]

irc said:

It makes sense. The SNP are currently selecting list MSP candidates on the basis that they are disabled rather than the best person for the job. Requiring a First. Minister to be trans is just another step along that road.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19054674.snp-bac...

Other parties have had disabled MPs who got there on ability. What is it about the SNP that needs quotas. Unconscious bias?

There are other things which are desirable in a candidate

like

Being married to a senior SNP member

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18737488.humza-y...

[Ridgemont]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotTories/status/13675...



It would be great to think some of this will cut through to the general public. Not holding my breath.

[A.J.M]

Ridgemont said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotTories/status/13675...



It would be great to think some of this will cut through to the general public. Not holding my breath.

Only 50 times for Glorious Leaders memory to slip on minor inconvenient details.

As said before. Compare her performance to Salmonds and there is a vast chasm between them.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Ridgemont said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotTories/status/13675...



It would be great to think some of this will cut through to the general public. Not holding my breath.

It would be funny if it wasn't such a digrace, eveyone.....share it, that needs seen by as many as possible.

[Quisling]

Ridgemont said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotTories/status/13675...



It would be great to think some of this will cut through to the general public. Not holding my breath.

WELL

thats me convinced

I'm off down Tescos with some blue facepaint to scream abuse at a box of shortbread

[Ridgemont]

Quisling said:

Ridgemont said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotTories/status/13675...



It would be great to think some of this will cut through to the general public. Not holding my breath.

WELL

thats me convinced

I'm off down Tescos with some blue facepaint to scream abuse at a box of shortbread

You and 5-7000 others....

[steely dan]

Ridgemont said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotTories/status/13675...



It would be great to think some of this will cut through to the general public. Not holding my breath.

I've been waiting for this , Thanks for posting it .
Now to distribute it ....

[biggbn]

Earthdweller said:

I’m an Englishman

In the early 80’s i spent time living and working in Northern Ireland and now live in the Republic

Ive been travelling back/forth to Ireland for my whole adult life pretty much

Only once have I suffered any form of abuse for being English and that was from a Middle Aged American tourist who decided to have a pop about my English accent and how dare I be in Ireland .. he was soon put right

Now I have a good number of Scottish friends living both in Scotland and Ireland/England. I also spend a lot of time in Scotland, particularly on road trips

I have been abused .. racially abused a number of times for being English not through anything I’ve done but purely because a person heard my accent.

On one occasion with a car group up in the north west highlands a local in a transit pulled across the road and blocked it, getting out with an iron bar

He started shouting, about the “fking English” and ranting “the highlands are the highlanders, Scotland is for the Scottish

Unfortunately for him, in the lead car was a Glaswegian and the second car two highlanders from Fort William one of whom had represented Scotland in martial arts at the Olympics !

I didn’t get involved .. but this idiot with an iron bar was faced off by the three other Scots and out firmly back in his box

I had my 9 year old son sitting in the open top car with me who heard it all

Not good at all,

I live in Ireland and I’ve never once felt self conscious about my accent nor that I should keep my mouth shut

But, in my own nation I have

That’s a pretty sad indictment really

How did the guy in the transit know you were English?

[WackyWeaver]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

It would be funny if it wasn't such a digrace, eveyone.....share it, that needs seen by as many as possible.

Maybe if the message was from someone other than the Conservatives or George Galloway then people would actually take it on board if shared.

[anonymous-user]

Greedydog said:

What? Scotland, as a 21st century society intertwined inextricably with the rest of the UK would be FAR more complex. As for budget, what has the set up cost of independence got to do with the value of Scotland? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Go read some of the previous threads on here about the potential costs and complexities.

You think it would be far more complex than South Africa? I don't know if Scotland would have to deal with quite the same level of internal division post-independence.

[biggbn]

Evercross said:

When a certain regular poster in here came out and attacked that very blog-piece months ago when it was first linked to in a previous iteration of this thread, that was when I started suspecting we had not an indy supporter but specifically a Sturgeonite shill in our midst. At the time the above was published (August last year) the points mentioned in it barely registered on the public radar (it is a piece that only deep-seated Sturgeon/Murrel investees would take umbrage at) yet look at how prescient it has been.

I know biggbn scoffs at the suggestion that there might be 'plants' among us, but a shill does not have to be a paid individual in the servitude of a cause - just someone with a pre-existing self-interest hiding that interest and pretending to be an impartial observer.

Accept it or not, social media is one of the battlegrounds for political campaigning today (the recent SNP Twitterbots are overt testament to that) and each and every outlet that has an audience of even more than a few thousand is a target (constituency votes can be won or lost on the tick of just one ballot paper). PH has a significant enough following to justify someone from the inside taking an interest in what gets posted here and seeking to influence it.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 5th March 10:05

So, using that logic, it is also quote possible one/some/many of us are 'shills ' for the Unionists?

[WindyCommon]

MrMan001 said:

...I don't know if Scotland would have to deal with quite the same level of internal division post-independence.

I wouldn’t be too sure. Some of Scotland’s dividing lines are centuries deep.

[vaud]

WindyCommon said:

MrMan001 said:

...I don't know if Scotland would have to deal with quite the same level of internal division post-independence.

I wouldn’t be too sure. Some of Scotland’s dividing lines are centuries deep.

I was never a fan of Gordon Brown as a PM, but when he spoke eloquently and quite powerfully in favour of remaining as the UK, my opinion of him went up. I wish he had been so passionate as a PM.

[Greedydog]

MrMan001 said:

Greedydog said:

What? Scotland, as a 21st century society intertwined inextricably with the rest of the UK would be FAR more complex. As for budget, what has the set up cost of independence got to do with the value of Scotland? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Go read some of the previous threads on here about the potential costs and complexities.

You think it would be far more complex than South Africa? I don't know if Scotland would have to deal with quite the same level of internal division post-independence.

I wasn't speaking about internal division, I was talking about the separation of two intertwined extremely complex economic entities. To try to conflate those matters with the South African situation is utter nonsense.

And as pointed out elsewhere, don't underestimate the level of internal division a close win for Yes could cause when you're talking about an irreversible change that doesn't have majority support in a lot of areas.

[Leithen]

contango said:

I have suggested this before, sturgeon should make plans for the next leader.

The shortlist should be a minimum of, trans, bame with some form of disability (other than tourettes).

This would truly reflect scotland in the 21st century, as well as being a beautiful thing to behold?

The problem being, who to find who won’t preside over the prosecution of her at some future date for crimes unspecified?

[deadslow]

Quisling said:

deadslow said:

Quisling said:

HEY DEADSLOW

care to tell us why Holyrood failed miserably in the broadband rollout?

You know where the SNP promised to give us broadband to all houses

oh dear, I seem to have acquired my own personal nutter/troll

Not answering then

I thought you were here to destroy the unionist lies

Which you will do by

doing what every other cybernat does

By religiously following the degree that one shall not answer a question

chap, you ought to speak with your CPN regarding your medication. Its not working.

[Quisling]

deadslow said:

Quisling said:

deadslow said:

Quisling said:

HEY DEADSLOW

care to tell us why Holyrood failed miserably in the broadband rollout?

You know where the SNP promised to give us broadband to all houses

oh dear, I seem to have acquired my own personal nutter/troll

Not answering then

I thought you were here to destroy the unionist lies

Which you will do by

doing what every other cybernat does

By religiously following the degree that one shall not answer a question

chap, you ought to speak with your CPN regarding your medication. Its not working.

Thanks for again proving a point

ANYWAY

Back to broadband which is a joyfully silly little spat

Way back in the mists of time the SNP promised to deliver world beating broadband to the people of scotland and everyone was going to have the very fastest of fibre broadband

And like all government projects

It went tits up

This is where it gets amusing

The excuse for not being able to met their target was

“Broadband is not a devolved power those nasty wastemonster people are in charge of it”

Which does kind of raise the small question of

Why didn’t the SNP check first to see if the could provide broadband before promising to deliver broadband

it was a poor excuse anyway as our local area has set up an broadband network over microwave along with a few cables so if a bunch of oil workers and some farmers can do it why can’t the Scottish government

[anonymous-user]

Greedydog said:

I wasn't speaking about internal division, I was talking about the separation of two intertwined extremely complex economic entities. To try to conflate those matters with the South African situation is utter nonsense.

And as pointed out elsewhere, don't underestimate the level of internal division a close win for Yes could cause when you're talking about an irreversible change that doesn't have majority support in a lot of areas.

In your original post, you just said ‘complexity’. I’m not even a Scottish nationalist, but to suggest that Scotland becoming independent is some event of unprecedented complexity in modern times doesn’t seem true if you view it from a non-Anglocentric perspective.