Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Ridgemont]

WackyWeaver said:

I know it’s a hard concept for some to grasp so you’ll forever be left wondering why no one is listening to you.

News flash, the Tories are not popular in Scotland. Floating voters or current SNP voters will never be convinced by messages led by the Tories when they are laughably hypocritical. Boris has actually been found guilty as well whereas Sturgeon is still currently accused? Again, how on earth can anyone every take them seriously

Call it whataboutery if you want but that is the reality of the situation. SNP will only ever be defeated when Labour sort their act out which unfortunately still seems quite a way off

Edited by WackyWeaver on Friday 5th March 20:01

You want to know the amusing bit?

You still haven’t worked out how the next few years work yet, so obsessed about the echo chamber of the Nat cause are you, gently all frotting yourself silly over Nicola and the inevitability of independence.

Guess what?
With a Tory PM you won’t get a vote anytime in the next 30 odd years. Imagining the Tory party replays Cameron’s failed playbook is for the birds.
With a Labour PM (which rides on recovery in Scotland and the north) you won’t be asking for one as there will be no Holyrood majority demanding it.

Heads the union wins. Tails Team Facepaint loses.

Unless you are advocating armed insurrection? How civic of you.

Good luck! Loser.

[anonymous-user]

WackyWeaver said:

No offence Yorkshire, stick to Yorkshire related matters such as downing gravy and annoying people with your accents.

Still to see someone actually provide a counter arguments to my points as opposed to weak ad hom attacks and sour grapes.

Anyone? Or this literally just a safe haven for Scottish Conservatives to vent their frustration like some sort of AA/anger management session?

No offence taken.
I’ll have a nibble though. The SNP, as in the party started in 1934 did represent a group of people that were willing to petition for leaving the union. They had a ground swell when AS, a charismatic and honest man, took charge. He managed to get a referendum in 2014, Scotland voted to remain in the UK, AS fell on his sword and Nicola took over (you know all this but I’m setting the scene). Since 2014 the party known as the SNP has changed, from the outside it looks like the sole mission of the SNP is the continuation of the SNP. This has reached a point where independence would not actually benefit them, it is much better to promise what will not be delivered than to actually stand up and be counted. Unfortunately for the SNP it is starting to look like a cult, and a corrupt and devious one at that. As an Englishman, Scotland seems to be an expensive thorn in our side based on Handforth parish council rules. I fully appreciate that the nationalists feel that their cause is the greatest but realistically the current state of the SNP is shambolic at best.

I expect to get hauled up on the comment about AS and honesty statement but I will stand by it. I judge people when I meet them (sorry didn’t get the custard pic). I also know one of the people that made a written submission to the enquiry and frequently go fishing with his brother. I hold no grudge against the people of Scotland but their elected leaders are failing them, whatever their views. Once they realise this then ISP, Labour or even the Conservatives will gain power.

Will that do? I like to listen to all views, even if I may take the p155 sometimes it isn’t aimed at causing offence.

[Quisling]

YorkshireWhisky said:

I judge people when I meet them

what?

you haven't known Nicola since she was 16

[Skyedriver]

Instead of tearing the country of Scotland and the Union apart why cannot we have a "Scotland First" type party, promoting the country, its businesses and communities. Far better idea than dividing it and trying to separate from the rest of the UK.

[Evercross]

YorkshireWhisky said:

The SNP, as in the party started in 1934 did represent a group of people that were willing to petition for leaving the union. They had a ground swell when AS, a charismatic and honest man, took charge. He managed to get a referendum in 2014, Scotland voted to remain in the UK, AS fell on his sword and Nicola took over (you know all this but I’m setting the scene). Since 2014 the party known as the SNP has changed, from the outside it looks like the sole mission of the SNP is the continuation of the SNP. This has reached a point where independence would not actually benefit them, it is much better to promise what will not be delivered than to actually stand up and be counted. Unfortunately for the SNP it is starting to look like a cult, and a corrupt and devious one at that. As an Englishman, Scotland seems to be an expensive thorn in our side based on Handforth parish council rules. I fully appreciate that the nationalists feel that their cause is the greatest but realistically the current state of the SNP is shambolic at best.

Brilliant summation! I should stay on the sidelines because I could never match a post like the one above.

Sturgeon did indeed cross the Rubicon this week and everyone knows it. Before she spoke the true faithful believed that it was best to 'weesht for indy' as Nicola's popularity would carry the SNP into the next five years and onwards to indy, but now those faithful are all silently wondering if what they are facilitating is five more years of Murrell rule over both a party and a populace who's ruler's interests do not quite align with theirs any more.

Ian Blackford says Independence referendum could happen in 'late 2021'.

Really?! It just all smacks of desperation now.

Edited by Evercross on Saturday 6th March 08:54

[amusingduck]

WackyWeaver said:

I know it’s a hard concept for some to grasp so you’ll forever be left wondering why no one is listening to you.

News flash, the Tories are not popular in Scotland. Floating voters or current SNP voters will never be convinced by messages led by the Tories when they are laughably hypocritical. Boris has actually been found guilty as well whereas Sturgeon is still currently accused? Again, how on earth can anyone every take them seriously

Call it whataboutery if you want but that is the reality of the situation. SNP will only ever be defeated when Labour sort their act out which unfortunately still seems quite a way off

Whataboutery is the exact term to use. Tories are scum, not because team, because behaviour, you see. Except when Sturgeon is caught going above and beyond tory scummery, the facepainters wave away with b-b-but tories.

I can't wait for indy. When the chickens come home to roost, the newly independent country will still be blaming tories. Free from the tories, but still it's the tories. I'm going to piss myself laughing.

[anonymous-user]

Quisling said:

what?

you haven't known Nicola since she was 16

:-) Never met the wee nippy, I don't swing that way. It was a reference to AS.

[Leithen]

Ou Est Lim? ‘Burger?

[Roderick Spode]

Leithen said:

Ou Est Lim? ‘Burger?

Au pont d'Allan, on consomme des gaufrettes au caramel Tunnocks. Maintenant.

[Leithen]

Roderick Spode said:

Leithen said:

Ou Est Lim? ‘Burger?

Au pont d'Allan, on consomme des gaufrettes au caramel Tunnocks. Maintenant.

Bien sur. J'avais peur qu'ils aient une crise d'identité.

[Wombat3]

Roderick Spode said:

Leithen said:

Ou Est Lim? ‘Burger?

Au pont d'Allan, on consomme des gaufrettes au caramel Tunnocks. Maintenant.

Mangetout Roderick Mangetout !

[Armchair Expert]

YorkshireWhisky said:

No offence taken.
I’ll have a nibble though. The SNP, as in the party started in 1934 did represent a group of people that were willing to petition for leaving the union. They had a ground swell when AS, a charismatic and honest man, took charge. He managed to get a referendum in 2014,

Surely the success of the SNP started in the 70s with the discovery of oil The SNP ran very successful campaigns emphasising the way in which they believed the revenue from oil should benefit all of Scotland's citizens.

[Roderick Spode]

Armchair Expert said:

YorkshireWhisky said:

No offence taken.
I’ll have a nibble though. The SNP, as in the party started in 1934 did represent a group of people that were willing to petition for leaving the union. They had a ground swell when AS, a charismatic and honest man, took charge. He managed to get a referendum in 2014,

Surely the success of the SNP started in the 70s with the discovery of oil The SNP ran very successful campaigns emphasising the way in which they believed the revenue from oil should benefit all of Scotland's citizens.

Perhaps the defining moment of the SNP's parliamentary career around that time, was to back the VoNC against James Callaghan, collapse the Labour government, and gave us Thatcher and 18 years of the Conservatives. Excellent work SNP.

[simoid]

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps the defining moment of the SNP's parliamentary career around that time, was to back the VoNC against James Callaghan, collapse the Labour government, and gave us Thatcher and 18 years of the Conservatives. Excellent work SNP.

Well it has kept them in catchphrases ever since.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

simoid said:

Roderick Spode said:

Perhaps the defining moment of the SNP's parliamentary career around that time, was to back the VoNC against James Callaghan, collapse the Labour government, and gave us Thatcher and 18 years of the Conservatives. Excellent work SNP.

Well it has kept them in catchphrases ever since.

Whilst their cult followers relentlessly tear down anyone who dares to 'Say what they see'.

[irc]

Little known fact. The SNP already have the power under devolution to borrow by issuing Scottish bonds. The UK would not have any liability. They have not used this power. Why? A cynic might suggest it is because it would shine a light of on the cost of borrowing for an independent Scotland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-real-reaso...

[hotchy]

Skyedriver said:

Instead of tearing the country of Scotland and the Union apart why cannot we have a "Scotland First" type party, promoting the country, its businesses and communities. Far better idea than dividing it and trying to separate from the rest of the UK.

Youd get my vote.

[Dr Jekyll]

Right now the SNP are already governing with a mixture of contempt for parliament, authoritarianism and centralised incompetence. To the extent that the EU could learn something from taking Nicola's online courses in the subjects.

If they win the election this can only get worse, to the point where I can see the rest of the UK declaring UDI from Scotland.

[Mrr T]

biggbn said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

biggbn said:

Shows how dim I can be, I didn't know you could tell where a car was from by its registration. I have never heard that before, unbelievable!!

Come on now man, a PH'er that doesn't know reg plates are regionally indentifiable, tut tut.
https://www.newreg.co.uk/dvla-number-plate-identif...


I think he might have been talking about plates with the flag on them, SCO / ENG / GB / UK.

I hang my head in shame!!

This only relates to first registration. Car have a habit of moving areas when they are sold. Lease cars can be registered a long way from where they are used.

Perhaps the angry man just hated cars which had once been in England. Hard to see this could be used to identify the country of the driver.

[deadslow]

Skyedriver said:

Instead of tearing the country of Scotland and the Union apart why cannot we have a "Scotland First" type party, promoting the country, its businesses and communities. Far better idea than dividing it and trying to separate from the rest of the UK.

we already do, but the ruling class don't like it because it prevents them from exercising their entitlement to govern.