Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10
Discussion
cuprabob said:
Ecosseven said:
Good post. I just hope that if there is a second indyref that the unionists come up with a way to present the facts and figures and avoid the accusations of "project fear".
Like £350m for the NHS on the side of a bus 
sherman said:
Sturgeon was saying yesterday that the referendum was due in the second half of the parliment. She wanted to concentrate on covid first and the recovery from that. Reading into thst she expects to be controlling things for a few years yet.
That’s quickly shifted from later this year! Personally I do not believe Sturgeon has any intention of going for another referendum . . . . . . ever - the union is safe with Sturgeon in power.Ecosseven said:
I'm sure there are lots of learnings to be taken from Brexit! Surely it is only right that before a decision of this magnitude is made that the voters have accurate information available to them? Perhaps an independent review of the economic viability of an independent Scotland would be a good way to give voters the confidence that the figures are accurate. Ultimately there will always be people who will vote a certain way for purely ideological / emotional reasons and will disregard the findings of the review and that's fine. The vast majority of people would prefer to have the information to allow them to make an informed choice.
The split Brexit campaign was part of its success.SNP will be 'Vote Leave' and focus on sensible issues.
Alba will be 'Leave.EU' and play the anti-English/Braveheart card.
Ecosseven said:
Perhaps an independent review of the economic viability of an independent Scotland would be a good way to give voters the confidence that the figures are accurate.
There have been many.The report by the LSE is only one example that states independence would be a disaster.
The reports either never seem to reach the mainstream or are derided as Toreeee propaganda.
I despair at my own countrymen (and women) sometimes.
Had some Labour propaganda through the door today, a letter from Anas Sarwar that essentially said -
Then, to add to the amusement, we had an SNP cult propaganda pamphlet dropped through the door, and it says -
Anas Sarwar said:
The SNP are going to win at a canter, so cast your list vote to make us the second best party in Holyrood...
It's a terribly depressing indictment of how broken the Holyrood system is, and how blinkered ~50% of the electorate seems to be, to see parties scrapping for second place behind one of the most incompetent governments in my living memory. Then, to add to the amusement, we had an SNP cult propaganda pamphlet dropped through the door, and it says -
Cult propaganda said:
Better days are ahead. It's time to prepare for the future.
This to me reads like an opposition party touting for a spell in government, not the party that has been in power for fourteen years and taking no responsibility for the disasters they have overseen. They know that their supporters don't care in the slightest about competence or ability, they only care about 'freedumm' and therefore the SNP can continue to phone it in for another five years, pursuing all manner of wokeist legislation that nobody actually wants, aside from the fringe loonies on Twitter. Depressing Roderick Spode said:
This to me reads like an opposition party touting for a spell in government, not the party that has been in power for fourteen years and taking no responsibility for the disasters they have overseen. They know that their supporters don't care in the slightest about competence or ability, they only care about 'freedumm' and therefore the SNP can continue to phone it in for another five years, pursuing all manner of wokeist legislation that nobody actually wants, aside from the fringe loonies on Twitter. Depressing
Brilliantly summed up the dire state of thingsI suppose if we use Scottish football as an analogy (bear with me...!) Celtic looked like winning >10 league titles in a row with little opposition until there was a managerial and strategic change at the main contenders, and it all fell like a pack of cards. Doesn’t look like there’s any real pressure on the SNP this time but in a year or two... who knows?
Garvin said:
That’s quickly shifted from later this year! Personally I do not believe Sturgeon has any intention of going for another referendum . . . . . . ever - the union is safe with Sturgeon in power.
Maybe that secret interdict we can't talk about was really to cover up she is an agent for the yoons? Incredible? Yes but not any more incredible than trying to go indy without an up to date economic assessment.
Roderick Spode said:
Had some Labour propaganda through the door today, a letter from Anas Sarwar that essentially said...
Does the technology exist to measure the size of the trick that Mr Sarwar has missed? I'm not pretending to be a fan but he should be out there, absolutely killing it - it's on a plate, for gawd's sake.
I'm with technodup on this. I can't understand Sarwar's middle-of-the-road and wishy-washy approach to the campaign.
Sturgeon having trouble with her memory once again.....
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/13828284357231...
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/13828284357231...
cuprabob said:
Ecosseven said:
Good post. I just hope that if there is a second indyref that the unionists come up with a way to present the facts and figures and avoid the accusations of "project fear".
Like £350m for the NHS on the side of a bus Scotty2 said:
Private Eye saying Inspector McKnacker looking into the "missing" or "woven" money not showing in the accounts - that were not presented to the finance committee...
drip drip
Maybe they've just borrowed it to pay for some freebies....drip drip
https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/04/the-snp-promise...
page3 said:
cuprabob said:
Ecosseven said:
Good post. I just hope that if there is a second indyref that the unionists come up with a way to present the facts and figures and avoid the accusations of "project fear".
Like £350m for the NHS on the side of a bus Last time I bothered working it out, based on the budgets from 2016 up until Hammond's last - the figure was £374M a week extra.
Now, with the covid/pandemic and further general budget increases, it's hugely more than £350M a week extra the NHS is getting.
is-uk said:
Sturgeon having trouble with her memory once again.....
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/13828284357231...
Ciaran Jenkinshttps://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/13828284357231...
@C4Ciaran
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16 Apr
My favourite insult has to be the person who implied I was trolling them by deliberately not getting a haircut despite the easing of restrictions in Scotland
And stealing from thesame thread ....
"It’s a more progressive, inclusive, Scottish form of abuse though... "
Sturgeon article
“Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans to call a separate referendum on whether an independent Scotland should join the European Union.
She said a “detailed prospectus” would be put to Scots ahead of any second independence referendum, and she claimed most people would want to be part of the EU again.
... She added: “Just as in 2014 when people had a detailed prospectus on which to base their vote, that is my intention for a future independence referendum too.””
“Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans to call a separate referendum on whether an independent Scotland should join the European Union.
She said a “detailed prospectus” would be put to Scots ahead of any second independence referendum, and she claimed most people would want to be part of the EU again.
... She added: “Just as in 2014 when people had a detailed prospectus on which to base their vote, that is my intention for a future independence referendum too.””
simoid said:
Sturgeon article
“Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans to call a separate referendum on whether an independent Scotland should join the European Union.
She said a “detailed prospectus” would be put to Scots ahead of any second independence referendum, and she claimed most people would want to be part of the EU again.
... She added: “Just as in 2014 when people had a detailed prospectus on which to base their vote, that is my intention for a future independence referendum too.””
Is this prospectus going to have a section on fianances and the currency post independence that tells us more than 'Aye it will be fine we can sort tgat post referendum'?“Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans to call a separate referendum on whether an independent Scotland should join the European Union.
She said a “detailed prospectus” would be put to Scots ahead of any second independence referendum, and she claimed most people would want to be part of the EU again.
... She added: “Just as in 2014 when people had a detailed prospectus on which to base their vote, that is my intention for a future independence referendum too.””
sherman said:
simoid said:
Sturgeon article
“Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans to call a separate referendum on whether an independent Scotland should join the European Union.
She said a “detailed prospectus” would be put to Scots ahead of any second independence referendum, and she claimed most people would want to be part of the EU again.
... She added: “Just as in 2014 when people had a detailed prospectus on which to base their vote, that is my intention for a future independence referendum too.””
Is this prospectus going to have a section on fianances and the currency post independence that tells us more than 'Aye it will be fine we can sort tgat post referendum'?“Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans to call a separate referendum on whether an independent Scotland should join the European Union.
She said a “detailed prospectus” would be put to Scots ahead of any second independence referendum, and she claimed most people would want to be part of the EU again.
... She added: “Just as in 2014 when people had a detailed prospectus on which to base their vote, that is my intention for a future independence referendum too.””
t.Just like last time.
https://www.ft.com/content/6f2fd24e-5d29-11e5-9846...
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