Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[alangla]

Russ35 said:

alangla said:

Travel restrictions were mentioned when they were going "beyond zero" - trips to Blackpool for the September weekend & October week will probably be kyboshed.
At a guess, probably also an extension to the ridiculous restrictions that are in place in schools as well, so masks indefinitely etc.

Nothing will stop them coming down to Little Scotland (Blackpool). Once England started lifting lockdown Blackpool hotels were over run with Scottish guests.

That didn't stop her banning it last autumn...

[simoid]

alangla said:

Travel restrictions were mentioned when they were going "beyond zero" - trips to Blackpool for the September weekend & October week will probably be kyboshed.
At a guess, probably also an extension to the ridiculous restrictions that are in place in schools as well, so masks indefinitely etc.

Football is going ahead largely as normal now. Most people are neutral or dislike Rangers fans so I’m going for Rangers as the target this time to take the heat off *insert whatever else*.

[Braveheart300]

I think everything will stay as is with the current rules/restrictions but she'll half threaten more restrictions will come back if numbers keep rising etc.

So no real need at all to go on the TV and say anything. Just scaremongering by calling a briefing and i'm sure she will throw in some issues with furlough ending and they requested an extension/more money but has been denied by WM so it's their fault etc etc.

Just an absolute pointless briefing to be honest.

[irc]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

So nasty Nic's approval rating is dropping like a lead balloon, lowest net approval rating for Sturgeon yet recorded. The majority of Scots are seeing this woman for what she is.

To be expected now the BBC Scot Nat party political broadcast is no longer daily as it was for over a year.

[ant1973]

simoid said:

alangla said:

Travel restrictions were mentioned when they were going "beyond zero" - trips to Blackpool for the September weekend & October week will probably be kyboshed.
At a guess, probably also an extension to the ridiculous restrictions that are in place in schools as well, so masks indefinitely etc.

Football is going ahead largely as normal now. Most people are neutral or dislike Rangers fans so I’m going for Rangers as the target this time to take the heat off *insert whatever else*.

Predictably she is refusing to be drawn on the Old Firm at the weekend...

Best thing is that there is no more money for her to indulge in whatever ridiculous restrictions she has in contemplation, i.e. hopping three times before you leave the house to ward off the ill effects of covid. Spare us any more of her commentary on Afghan Foreign Affairs as well.

Maybe we will get double masking because that is "free"....

[750turbo]

Don't suppose she mentioned how her old pal Fingers McGarry got on in court this morning then....

Case pushed back again!

[ant1973]

I'm just amazed that the compulsory masking has not made the difference.... But, but, we were told that the masks would keep us safe...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19533832.covid...

[Callum43]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Independence is over. The most recent GERS figures, the Cambo oilfield debacle and mass redundancy at a biscuit factory have hammered yet more nails into the coffin of Scottish independence.

Interesting piece again by Jonathan Stanley......... https://thinkscotland.org/2021/08/the-naive-scotti...

If Independence is over how are those who inhabit McAlice in Wonderland going to be placated and move across to being responsible citizens within the UK ?

[ant1973]

Callum43 said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Independence is over. The most recent GERS figures, the Cambo oilfield debacle and mass redundancy at a biscuit factory have hammered yet more nails into the coffin of Scottish independence.

Interesting piece again by Jonathan Stanley......... https://thinkscotland.org/2021/08/the-naive-scotti...

If Independence is over how are those who inhabit McAlice in Wonderland going to be placated and move across to being responsible citizens within the UK ?

Just wait until furlough ends, rent evictions soar, NHS waiting lists grow....

SNP are headed the same way as labour. Untouchable for a long period of time and then, all of a sudden, in the doldrums...

No political system - left or right - can overcome the inertial force of a grievance orientated electorate who, in many instances, have no interest in educating themselves or indeed working "hard".

The majority of the Scottish electorate have the politicians they deserve...

[irc]

ant1973 said:

I'm just amazed that the compulsory masking has not made the difference.... But, but, we were told that the masks would keep us safe...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19533832.covid...

It is possible that risk compensation may mean masks make things worse in some situations. For example in mask free England when I was there recently people are still in many situations keeping a bit of persomnal space round them. Do people wearing masks feel protected and therefore reduce social distancing?

Of course more likely that masks make little difference in the real world.

" there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19. 1.8 per cent of those wearing masks caught Covid, compared to 2.1 per cent of the control group."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-...

[the-sharpener]

Callum43 said:

If Independence is over how are those who inhabit McAlice in Wonderland going to be placated and move across to being responsible citizens within the UK ?

they aren't

The hardcore McGammons have nothing to offer the country

The majority of SNP voters vote for them as they aren't tory

get a decent labour leader in place and the SNP are gone

[rider73]

the-sharpener said:

Callum43 said:

If Independence is over how are those who inhabit McAlice in Wonderland going to be placated and move across to being responsible citizens within the UK ?

they aren't

The hardcore McGammons have nothing to offer the country

The majority of SNP voters vote for them as they aren't tory

get a decent labour leader in place and the SNP are gone

This.

[stichill99]

When was the last time Labour had a decent leader? Probably John Smith but it was that long ago it is hard to remember. I take an interest in Politics and I struggle to remember labour leaders. What is the chance of a decent one coming along? Do you think we could get that ex postie Alan Johnson to come out of retirement and stand in Scotland,I would vote for him!

[the-sharpener]

stichill99 said:

When was the last time Labour had a decent leader? Probably John Smith but it was that long ago it is hard to remember. I take an interest in Politics and I struggle to remember labour leaders. What is the chance of a decent one coming along? Do you think we could get that ex postie Alan Johnson to come out of retirement and stand in Scotland,I would vote for him!

No

the labour leader in westminster

People are voting against boris in holyrood elections

[ant1973]

irc said:

ant1973 said:

I'm just amazed that the compulsory masking has not made the difference.... But, but, we were told that the masks would keep us safe...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19533832.covid...

It is possible that risk compensation may mean masks make things worse in some situations. For example in mask free England when I was there recently people are still in many situations keeping a bit of persomnal space round them. Do people wearing masks feel protected and therefore reduce social distancing?

Of course more likely that masks make little difference in the real world.

" there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19. 1.8 per cent of those wearing masks caught Covid, compared to 2.1 per cent of the control group."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-...

I was in England recently and literally no one was wearing masks. It may be that masks prevent the spread of a proportion of droplets or aerosols. However, there is no evidence that e.g. reducing those droplets by say 50% leads to any reduction in real world transmission. They are a comfort blanket for the hard of understanding and a political device for our useless political class to remind us all that "danger" is lurking around every corner and to "take care".

If there was good, robust, evidence that masks lead to a reduction in transmission in the real world, it would be rammed down our throat every day.

Masks are emblematic of our political class: useless. Any sane and rational person knows that the odds of "defeating" a virus are comical.

[Evercross]

ant1973 said:

I was in England recently and literally no one was wearing masks. It may be that masks prevent the spread of a proportion of droplets or aerosols. However, there is no evidence that e.g. reducing those droplets by say 50% leads to any reduction in real world transmission. They are a comfort blanket for the hard of understanding and a political device for our useless political class to remind us all that "danger" is lurking around every corner and to "take care".

If there was good, robust, evidence that masks lead to a reduction in transmission in the real world, it would be rammed down our throat every day.

Masks are emblematic of our political class: useless. Any sane and rational person knows that the odds of "defeating" a virus are comical.

We had this exact debate in here over a year ago, and head-in-the-sand assertionist, pro-indy squirrel-spotter (and always surprisingly on-message even before the message had broken) Edinburger said this wasn't true because he didn't believe it.

The same reason Edinburger asserted for everything that didn't fit his world view.

Edinburger has been notable by his absence of late. I am wondering if he was one of the democratically elected SNP NEC members who have been thrown out the committee because the prescribed interests groups have said they should nominate members instead?

Oh, and on the subject of Sturgeon's waning popularity, IMO it is no co-incidence that it took a dive in the week that the sex-and-gender educational guidelines were published and it turned out to be true that schools were being told to teach gender choice to infants and keep any information regarding their interest in transitioning from their parents.

The ('male' dominated) gender reformists have got a grip on the SNP and are pushing their extremist agenda, all-the-while accusing anyone who wants to debate their ideologies of being homophobic and transphobic (even, ironically, high profile out lesbians within the party such as Joanna Cherry), but there is no doubt that they are a (tiny) minority group but with a loud and vicious voice that does not have universal support within the greater LGBTQ+ community they have assumed the identity of and hijacked the causes of.

Some of their advice (as published in the education guidelines) encouraging 'breast-binding' has received criticism from no lesser a body that the UN who have said it is a barbaric practice used in certain societies to suppress womanhood and sexuality.

When more of their extremist agenda is moved as SNP policy (with the help of the Loony Greens who just love an extremist minority cause) Sturgeon and the SNP will face a massive backlash from the public.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 24th August 19:41

[irc]

Seems the SNP can bugger up local govt as well as national govt. With SNP in power in both Holyrood and Glasgow there is nobody else to blame.



Criticise them and you are labelled "far right"

"After GMB general secretary Gary Smith warned that Glasgow is 'crumbling' and 'filthy' ahead of November's COP26 summit, Aitken likened such criticisms of Glasgow's dirty streets to the 'far right'. Asked about whether she was 'embarrassed' by the state of her city she replied:

“I'm not embarrassed, I'm more angered people are using that kind of language for political purposes. There's a real echo of the language that some far-right organisations have used about Govanhill for a long time. It's the same kind of words. It's a scapegoating and a targeting of Glasgow.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-this-the-wo...

Follows on from "shoegate"

"The Lord Provost of Glasgow has been criticised after it emerged her expenses included claims for 23 pairs of shoes.

The Daily Record reports Eva Bolander submitted receipts totalling more than £8,000 over a 28-month period.

A council spokesman said the SNP councillor incurs personal expenses as she is required to represent the city at hundreds of events."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

[ant1973]

Evercross said:

ant1973 said:

I was in England recently and literally no one was wearing masks. It may be that masks prevent the spread of a proportion of droplets or aerosols. However, there is no evidence that e.g. reducing those droplets by say 50% leads to any reduction in real world transmission. They are a comfort blanket for the hard of understanding and a political device for our useless political class to remind us all that "danger" is lurking around every corner and to "take care".

If there was good, robust, evidence that masks lead to a reduction in transmission in the real world, it would be rammed down our throat every day.

Masks are emblematic of our political class: useless. Any sane and rational person knows that the odds of "defeating" a virus are comical.

We had this exact debate in here over a year ago, and head-in-the-sand assertionist, pro-indy squirrel-spotter (and always surprisingly on-message even before the message had broken) Edinburger said this wasn't true because he didn't believe it.

The same reason Edinburger asserted for everything that didn't fit his world view.

Edinburger has been notable by his absence of late. I am wondering if he was one of the democratically elected SNP NEC members who have been thrown out the committee because the prescribed interests groups have said they should nominate members instead?

Oh, and on the subject of Sturgeon's waning popularity, IMO it is no co-incidence that it took a dive in the week that the sex-and-gender educational guidelines were published and it turned out to be true that schools were being told to teach gender choice to infants and keep any information regarding their interest in transitioning from their parents.

The ('male' dominated) gender reformists have got a grip on the SNP and are pushing their extremist agenda, all-the-while accusing anyone who wants to debate their ideologies of being homophobic and transphobic (even, ironically, high profile out lesbians within the party such as Joanna Cherry), but there is no doubt that they are a (tiny) minority group but with a loud and vicious voice that does not have universal support within the greater LGBTQ+ community they have assumed the identity of and hijacked the causes of.

Some of their advice (as published in the education guidelines) encouraging 'breast-binding' has received criticism from no lesser a body that the UN who have said it is a barbaric practice used in certain societies to suppress womanhood and sexuality.

When more of their extremist agenda is moved as SNP policy (with the help of the Loony Greens who just love an extremist minority cause) Sturgeon and the SNP will face a massive backlash from the public.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 24th August 19:41

Well said - been a while since I posted. Good to see that guys like you, IRC and Alanglia remain the voices of reason.

where is the burger!!!

[633Squadron]

SNP refusing money from Westminster. ( I never saw that coming )

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-refuse-mill...


Scottish ministers shun Whitehall cash to repair roads
Officials consider bypassing Holyrood and offering money to local councils

SNP ministers have refused to accept millions of pounds from the UK government to upgrade Scotland’s roads.

Whitehall officials are now considering bypassing Holyrood and offering money to local councils as the Scottish government was accused of holding up large projects for political reasons.


David Duguid, the Scotland Office minister, said that counterparts in Edinburgh had refused to engage with the offer of dipping into a £20 million pot to identify potential projects that could then be financed by “levelling up” funds from the Treasury.

[the-sharpener]

If the roads are great in enemy territory and terrible in the choosen land

they get more grievance