CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 9)
Discussion
Capt. Howdy said:
I’ve probably missed the discussion on here re over 80’s deaths - but found this on Twitter.
Any truth in it, or just b
ks?
It looks to be rising as number of infections rises, peaking at the peak. If you have the data source you could see if the other age groups do similar (suspect they will). Any truth in it, or just b
ks?If it keeps going its a (massive) concern, but sky news reported deaths in that age group down 30%, compared to 6% in <80 age grouping.
So vaccination is having the opposite effect that that graph implies.
Either by innocent accident, or pushing anti vax. You got the tweet?
So now Chuckles Hancock is saying we are a long way off of getting COVID sorted because there are 25,000 people in hospital with it. How is that relevant? Many of those could have been there for months on end, and if we get better and better at treating people then it is entirely possible that hospital numbers will stay high.
Positive test are down 26% whilst tests are down just 2.5%. Deaths are down 26% on a rolling weekly average and hospital admissions down by 24% on a rolling average.
From 100,000 people we now expect just seven to die from COVID, and there have been over 14 million vaccinations.
Time and time again this lot have banged on about keeping restrictions no longer than absolutely necessary but if those figures don't mean that some easing is in order then I don't know what ones will.
At some point there will be a relaxation, but according to the science bloke yesterday, a date shouldn't be set. That's fine, but there will be a decision made, and it will be based on statistics. Quite why Boris can't say what those statistics are is beyond me, but my guess is that he wants to keep this going for as long as he possibly can, and cares not one jot about people having some freedoms back.
Positive test are down 26% whilst tests are down just 2.5%. Deaths are down 26% on a rolling weekly average and hospital admissions down by 24% on a rolling average.
From 100,000 people we now expect just seven to die from COVID, and there have been over 14 million vaccinations.
Time and time again this lot have banged on about keeping restrictions no longer than absolutely necessary but if those figures don't mean that some easing is in order then I don't know what ones will.
At some point there will be a relaxation, but according to the science bloke yesterday, a date shouldn't be set. That's fine, but there will be a decision made, and it will be based on statistics. Quite why Boris can't say what those statistics are is beyond me, but my guess is that he wants to keep this going for as long as he possibly can, and cares not one jot about people having some freedoms back.
bern said:
Someone posted a tweet earlier about the Welsh assembly voting to cancel the elections in May. I can't find the post or the tweet or any reference to it online. Could anyone point me to it please?
Not quite cancel but annoyingly, the conspiracy nutters were telling us last May that Welsh elections were planned to be cancelled so would hate the list of things that they p̶r̶e̶d̶i̶c̶t̶e̶d̶ guessed to be added to.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55935560
Capt. Howdy said:
Thanks for replying - if only more of your colleagues were like you. 
Perhaps more are, but obviously we don’t get to see those on SM...
As a whole, do you/ your colleagues feel there’ll be a bit of a backlash from the public (if and when this is over), or that you’ve lost the public’s trust?
If you we’re out and about and had a colleague trying to give a FPN for some minor COVID misdemeanour, what would you do?
I’d strongly advise against it, or give my oppo a fPerhaps more are, but obviously we don’t get to see those on SM...
As a whole, do you/ your colleagues feel there’ll be a bit of a backlash from the public (if and when this is over), or that you’ve lost the public’s trust?
If you we’re out and about and had a colleague trying to give a FPN for some minor COVID misdemeanour, what would you do?
king slap 
Thankfully we’re not on a COVID response unit or ever likely to augment one. We genuinely have more important things to do.
johnboy1975 said:
Capt. Howdy said:
I’ve probably missed the discussion on here re over 80’s deaths - but found this on Twitter.
Any truth in it, or just bks?
It looks to be rising as number of infections rises, peaking at the peak. If you have the data source you could see if the other age groups do similar (suspect they will). Any truth in it, or just b
ks?If it keeps going its a (massive) concern, but sky news reported deaths in that age group down 30%, compared to 6% in <80 age grouping.
So vaccination is having the opposite effect that that graph implies.
Either by innocent accident, or pushing anti vax. You got the tweet?
I saw that Sky article
Can’t find the tweet now, nor find the graph on NHSEngland.
V88Dicky said:
Capt. Howdy said:
Thanks for replying - if only more of your colleagues were like you.
Perhaps more are, but obviously we don’t get to see those on SM...
As a whole, do you/ your colleagues feel there’ll be a bit of a backlash from the public (if and when this is over), or that you’ve lost the public’s trust?
If you we’re out and about and had a colleague trying to give a FPN for some minor COVID misdemeanour, what would you do?
I’d strongly advise against it, or give my oppo a fPerhaps more are, but obviously we don’t get to see those on SM...
As a whole, do you/ your colleagues feel there’ll be a bit of a backlash from the public (if and when this is over), or that you’ve lost the public’s trust?
If you we’re out and about and had a colleague trying to give a FPN for some minor COVID misdemeanour, what would you do?
king slap Thankfully we’re not on a COVID response unit or ever likely to augment one. We genuinely have more important things to do.
Nice to know.
a311 said:
Interesting article re the Australian quarantine Hotel outbreak. Two rooms opened their doors at the same time and rona blew across the hall.....
I read that and was wondering, what's more likely, that the corona cloud moved across the hall when they opened the doors to pick food up, or that they were mingling when no-one was looking?drdino said:
a311 said:
Interesting article re the Australian quarantine Hotel outbreak. Two rooms opened their doors at the same time and rona blew across the hall.....
I read that and was wondering, what's more likely, that the corona cloud moved across the hall when they opened the doors to pick food up, or that they were mingling when no-one was looking?Surely the point must therefore be that if it can travel easily on an invisible cloud of air, what hope do we ever have of 'controlling' it?
Ntv said:
isaldiri said:
pocty said:
Imagine my shock when old people start to die from old age rather than from Covid again.
Pocty
Well no one really will care if they are dying at 'normal' numbers of old age. The slight problem as you might have noticed is they are dropping dead at very high numbers well above the typical average with covid as the only reasonable denominator wherever you look around the world. If lots of excess deaths start happening due to old age that I admit might be a problem.....Pocty
There's one problem with that view of the world ...
Just three more weeks!!
Otispunkmeyer said:
stevensdrs said:
ant1973 said:
Yet they can spunk billions on a vaccine that really isn't needed, waste even more on crap ppe and a track and trace system that hasn't worked.It is a health service in name only.
t, whether called that or rolled out under the cover of testing schools, unis, workplaces...?£100bn per year to find people with zero symptoms?
That's definitely better value for money than saving breast cancer victims.
tigamilla said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
Melbourne back into lockdown.
To prevent the spread of an outbreak of the UK strain....
Now I thought Oz basically weren't allowing people in or out unless you spent along time and a lot of money in quarantine.
Yet...the virus is there and circulating from all the way over here? What am I missing?
Also, reading that report, the Aussie government are even more hysterical than we are.
What a way to live. I know that we are not in the best shape as a country but at least we ahev built some immunity and vaccines are being rolled out, for all the praise that Australia and New Zealand get from the zero Covid fanatics, I cant help but think that their problems haven't even begun yet... Melbourne back into lockdown.
To prevent the spread of an outbreak of the UK strain....
Now I thought Oz basically weren't allowing people in or out unless you spent along time and a lot of money in quarantine.
Yet...the virus is there and circulating from all the way over here? What am I missing?
Also, reading that report, the Aussie government are even more hysterical than we are.
Their concern seemingly being that deaths from the vaccine are likely to exceed deaths from Covid (because they've locked down so excessively and because the vaccine will of course have some deaths amongst the adverse side effects amongst millions of people) which might not look that good in PR terms... lol
CAH706 said:
TheJimi said:
CAH706 said:
This is usually a ‘dead’ time of year. It’s post Xmas and the weather is miserable so people don’t take holidays and don’t do too much so there is not as much to miss
Once the weather starts to change and people realise their Easter holiday is not happening the pressure will ramp up on the government
I’m still positive this ends soon(with minimal restrictions) as the cases, hospitalisation and deaths will be minimal
This thread really has taken a turn for gloom lately!
It's not the thread - it's based on the narrative that we're seeing coming from the governments.Once the weather starts to change and people realise their Easter holiday is not happening the pressure will ramp up on the government
I’m still positive this ends soon(with minimal restrictions) as the cases, hospitalisation and deaths will be minimal
This thread really has taken a turn for gloom lately!
How anyone can read the narrative and maintain optimism is beyond me.
We know there is so much nonsense in the press though (for clicks or attention) and sage just live in a dreamworld so don’t get too obsessed with it all. The government don’t help with mixed messages but a lot of this is just sounding out public opinion
Last year we had a reasonable summer given the new virus. Why would things be worse this year?
Israel is showing decent results post vaccination - granted its a different vaccine and dose but we should see benefit as well
World cases are falling
Our cases, hospitalisation and deaths are falling really quickly now
I am ignoring new strains for now as nothing is proven and so far it’s all been noise
I am ignoring the conspiracy stuff as to me that is nuts
I will remain optimistic ....and I say this having lost a job of 26 years, having a child at home home schooling and having a wife who is fighting cancer through this period
Because Israel is rolling them out and actively seeking to limit testing facilities, and the ability to work and get paid, in order to 'encourage' people to get vaccinated and get a 'vaccine passport'.
Two people working together (only) in pretty much a solitary working/isolation environment both test positive for Covid and have zero symptoms.
Solution?
Both resign from that job.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9254...
(I use the word 'job' in the loosest sense here, but you can hopefully see where I'm coming from.)
Solution?
Both resign from that job.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9254...
(I use the word 'job' in the loosest sense here, but you can hopefully see where I'm coming from.)
Dromedary66 said:
lol d
heads.From Sunday to today the hills where i live have been busy with people sledging. I've been twice myself. Maybe they need to accept the stupid rules are unenforceable with a population of 67m.
danllama said:
Dromedary66 said:
lol dheads.From Sunday to today the hills where i live have been busy with people sledging. I've been twice myself. Maybe they need to accept the stupid rules are unenforceable with a population of 67m.
So basically the police wanted to issue fines but no-one was breaking the law so they couldn't.
Capt. Howdy said:
Would be really nice to see a few out of control sledges wiping out a few rozzers.
Speaking of BiB, I know there’s a few on PH - would be nice to get their view of all these fining shenanigans.
I assume their families, kids etc must be feeling how many of us do with regard to the stupid ‘enforcement’.
With a lovely dollop of shame and embarrassment on top, hopefully.Speaking of BiB, I know there’s a few on PH - would be nice to get their view of all these fining shenanigans.
I assume their families, kids etc must be feeling how many of us do with regard to the stupid ‘enforcement’.
Edited by Capt. Howdy on Friday 12th February 17:30
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