45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)

[Gameface]

Precient.

[anonymous-user]

Can't help but have a little LOL at all those Texans driving there massive V8 gass guzzlers awho have been shouting "you'll have to prise the keys to this V8 out of my dead hands you lefty liberal" and well, it turns out climate change might be a thing, and yes, if you've actually frozen to death because the power grid failed then we will indeed have to prise the keys out of your dead hands......

[citizensm1th]

Baron Greenback said:

Just seen on a website of interesting things found In museums, In The U.S. Holocaust Museum. Does Any Of This Sound Familiar?

How well dose that describe a lot of the views espoused on this very website

[smn159]

citizensm1th said:

How well dose that describe a lot of the views espoused on this very website

I don't think that you'd have to read many pages of the Brexit threads to tick most of those off

[southendpier]

Max_Torque said:

Can't help but have a little LOL at all those Texans driving there massive V8 gass guzzlers awho have been shouting "you'll have to prise the keys to this V8 out of my dead hands you lefty liberal" and well, it turns out climate change might be a thing, and yes, if you've actually frozen to death because the power grid failed then we will indeed have to prise the keys out of your dead hands......

gotta LOL for the dead people.

This thread keeps delivering.

[captain_cynic]

Castrol for a knave said:

john2443 said:

Castrol for a knave said:

Texans just got a taste of where a real free market economy takes you.

No fall back plan, nil infrastructure investment and nil oversight or control when the opportunity to price gouge comes along.

Any suggestion that some controls and investment might have been useful will be met with howls of "command economy" and "cuz Marxist".

BBC said:

"Some residents reported bills of up to $16,000 (£11,500) for just a few days of usage"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5614731...

Not sure how this can be possible, but maybe I'll stop complaining about my wife having the heating too high and us getting a £100 a month gas bill!

Part of the problem is that Texas (with the exception of El Paso) is outside of the wider grid. So, it cannot buy in or hedge against the wider wholesale market. Part of the reason for the pricing, apart from making $$$ while the snow fell, was to limit demand, because it was very close to a full shutdown, such was the inability to meet demand.

I spent a significant portion of my life in Western Australia where the power grid is isolated by geography. The government always set controls in place to prevent both significant outages and price gouging (after the power company was corporatised). One measure was the requirement for enough fuel storage at or near generating facilities to ensure they could run for several weeks without resupply.

I've never been in a blackout that has lasted more than a few hours and never been in a rolling one. The problem Texas has is that the system was not designed to be tolerant of failure.

[Crafty_]

Max_Torque said:

Can't help but have a little LOL at all those Texans driving there massive V8 gass guzzlers awho have been shouting "you'll have to prise the keys to this V8 out of my dead hands you lefty liberal" and well, it turns out climate change might be a thing, and yes, if you've actually frozen to death because the power grid failed then we will indeed have to prise the keys out of your dead hands......

I don't see what "V8 gas guzzlers" have to do with it. The failure of the network is being spun in to a green issue, but it isn't.

Texas isn't as backward as many think, they have plenty of wind turbines in Texas, according to the FT if Texas were a country it'd be 6th in the world, last may wind power accounted for 59% of the generation. But guess what, they froze up too.

They had to shut down at least one nuclear power plant because a water pump froze up. Literally every energy source was affected.

The issue is with the complete lack of planning to build an infrastructure that could cope with a weather event such as they saw last week.

There have been previous events and reports on those warned that they hadn't built a system that could cope. ERCOT ignored al of that and carried on and have now met their comeuppance.

Yes it could be claimed that the actual weather event is related to climate change - and it may well be correct. The failure of the networks and systems was human incompetence.

If every "V8 gas guzzler" was an EV and all the power was from wind turbines they would have been just as fked, more so if anything, at least you can hand pump petrol in to a ICE. What are you gonna do for an EV emergency vehicle ?

Edited by Crafty_ on Tuesday 23 February 14:15

[techguyone]

Baron Greenback said:

Just seen on a website of interesting things found In museums, In The U.S. Holocaust Museum. Does Any Of This Sound Familiar?

Looks quite like Scotland currently actually.

[anonymous-user]

Crafty_ said:

Max_Torque said:

Can't help but have a little LOL at all those Texans driving there massive V8 gass guzzlers awho have been shouting "you'll have to prise the keys to this V8 out of my dead hands you lefty liberal" and well, it turns out climate change might be a thing, and yes, if you've actually frozen to death because the power grid failed then we will indeed have to prise the keys out of your dead hands......

I don't see what "V8 gas guzzlers" have to do with it. The failure of the network is being spun in to a green issue, but it isn't.

Texas isn't as backward as many think, they have plenty of wind turbines in Texas, according to the FT if Texas were a country it'd be 6th in the world, last may wind power accounted for 59% of the generation. But guess what, they froze up too.

They had to shut down at least one nuclear power plant because a water pump froze up. Literally every energy source was affected.

The issue is with the complete lack of planning to build an infrastructure that could cope with a weather event such as they saw last week.

There have been previous events and reports on those warned that they hadn't built a system that could cope. ERCOT ignored al of that and carried on and have now met their comeuppance.

Yes it could be claimed that the actual weather event is related to climate change - and it may well be correct. The failure of the networks and systems was human incompetence.

If every "V8 gas guzzler" was an EV and all the power was from wind turbines they would have been just as fked, more so if anything, at least you can hand pump petrol in to a ICE. What are you gonna do for an EV emergency vehicle ?

Edited by Crafty_ on Tuesday 23 February 14:15

erm, im going to suggest that the carbon footprint of the average Texan is in fact, best described as "right up there" and that in 2021 we probably have enough scientific evidence to, on balance, link increased weather extremes to dynamic effects caused by global climate change as a result of atmospheric heating driven by increased carbon dioxide concentration in our atmosphere.

If that is the case, then Texans driving gas guzzlers can indeed be linked to Texans dying because a sudden, extreme cold front swept in and kibosh'd their power grid.......

[pquinn]

Max_Torque said:

Can't help but have a little LOL at all those Texans driving there massive V8 gass guzzlers awho have been shouting "you'll have to prise the keys to this V8 out of my dead hands you lefty liberal" and well, it turns out climate change might be a thing, and yes, if you've actually frozen to death because the power grid failed then we will indeed have to prise the keys out of your dead hands......

Shame they'd be bankrupted by charging their EV at the surge pricing rates...

And at least you can run the V8 and stay warm.

[maddog993]

techguyone said:

Looks quite like Scotland currently actually.

Are you just typing in random nonsense in an effort to be deliberately provocative? And why do it on the Trump thread?

[Crafty_]

Max_Torque said:

erm, im going to suggest that the carbon footprint of the average Texan is in fact, best described as "right up there" and that in 2021 we probably have enough scientific evidence to, on balance, link increased weather extremes to dynamic effects caused by global climate change as a result of atmospheric heating driven by increased carbon dioxide concentration in our atmosphere.

If that is the case, then Texans driving gas guzzlers can indeed be linked to Texans dying because a sudden, extreme cold front swept in and kibosh'd their power grid.......

None of which has anything to do with the poor management, planning and running of their energy generation and distribution networks.

[GCH]

john2443 said:

Just checked my (UK) elec bill, my fixed rate is 14.75p / KWH - the Vox link says wholesale rate 5 cents normally and they want a cap at $9

Free market compared to our damn leftie commie government controlling and restricting energy companies

For comparison, here in NYC my most recent ConEd electric bill shows supply charges @ 9.26 cents/kWh, with a delivery charge of 13.21cents/kWh (plus a boat load of other fees and fixed delivery charges).

[Slaav]

Without continuing too far down the tangent that is Texan Blackouts, isn't it quite simple?

In the absence of any regulatory pressure and/or legislation generally the choice becomes:

A) Cheap energy/fuel as there has been no compulsion to build in loads of redundancy and/or disaster management or
B) More expensive energy/fuel being provided by a company that has higher costs and overheads due to redundancy and 'what if' built in.

This free market in Texas means that Company B goes out of business leaving everything to Company A and similar?

I imagine it is as hard a sale as PPE when the sun is shining and nobody has heard of Covid19 or SARS etc.

Sometimes an element of Government/governance and rules/minimum standards are a necessity! Getting that balance between regulation and pragmatism right is the difficult issue.

[98elise]

pquinn said:

Max_Torque said:

Can't help but have a little LOL at all those Texans driving there massive V8 gass guzzlers awho have been shouting "you'll have to prise the keys to this V8 out of my dead hands you lefty liberal" and well, it turns out climate change might be a thing, and yes, if you've actually frozen to death because the power grid failed then we will indeed have to prise the keys out of your dead hands......

Shame they'd be bankrupted by charging their EV at the surge pricing rates...

And at least you can run the V8 and stay warm.

No reason why your EV can't power your house when there is an outage.

[KR158]

Tom Logan said:

Subpoenas? Tax returns?

Meh, the law is only for little people and losers.

It's probably about time to repost this little Gem. Corruption? Tax dodging? That makes him "smart". So, no problem then!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXjsMK_MnU

Effectively admitting his guilt & ignoring the fact that nothing short of a Miracle or a Brain Transplant could ever make Donny "smart".

[Byker28i]

Crafty_ said:

Texas isn't as backward as many think, they have plenty of wind turbines in Texas, according to the FT if Texas were a country it'd be 6th in the world, last may wind power accounted for 59% of the generation. But guess what, they froze up too.

Where did you get that from crafty?
According to other sources and wikipedia
Texas produces the most wind power of any U.S. state. According to the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), wind power accounted for at least 15.7% of the electricity generated in Texas during 2017, as wind was 17.4% of electricity generated in ERCOT, which manages 90% of Texas's power.

Or NBC
About 56 percent of Texas' energy comes from natural gas, just under 24 percent comes from wind, 19 percent from coal, and almost 9 percent from nuclear energy.

Many however have tried to blame it on the windturbines
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fact-check-re...

[Byker28i]

GCH said:

john2443 said:

Just checked my (UK) elec bill, my fixed rate is 14.75p / KWH - the Vox link says wholesale rate 5 cents normally and they want a cap at $9

Free market compared to our damn leftie commie government controlling and restricting energy companies

For comparison, here in NYC my most recent ConEd electric bill shows supply charges @ 9.26 cents/kWh, with a delivery charge of 13.21cents/kWh (plus a boat load of other fees and fixed delivery charges).

The dollar is quite low against the pound currently. Tonights good steak meal, with a bud, was $17, or £12.50 english

[Byker28i]

Remember Sydney Powell calling the cops and refusing to get out her car aftera week of tracking her down to serve her the lawsuit.

Rudy Giuliani spent a week dodging service of a $1.3 billion lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting Systems after publicly declaring he was ready for the legal fight.

[Tom Logan]

KR158 said:

It's probably about time to repost this little Gem. Corruption? Tax dodging? That makes him "smart". So, no problem then!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXjsMK_MnU

Effectively admitting his guilt & ignoring the fact that nothing short of a Miracle or a Brain Transplant could ever make Donny "smart".

Ha, not seen that before, HRC had him cold and he nailed himself to the wall.