45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
WP opinion piece by George Conway:
I believe Donald Trump is an enemy of truth. I believe he’s a con man, a pathological liar — now the most prodigiously documented liar in American history, if not the history of the world. I believe he doesn’t care about, and may not even fully comprehend, the difference between truth and lies, between honesty and mendacity. I believe he has always said what he wants to believe, what he wants others to believe, and what he thinks he can get away with, and always will.
I believe that, as president, Trump was a danger to democracy and the rule of law, precisely because he was a danger to truth. But I believe his lies weren’t necessarily the most damaging ones to our country. Equally harmful, if not more so, were the lies that allowed him to flourish — not just others’ repetition of his lies, but also lies that many told themselves and others to justify not contradicting him — that you can’t take him literally, that you need to look at what he does or that his policies justified it all.
I believe many people didn’t know any better than to believe Trump’s lies, and still don’t. But I believe that the ignorance, intellectual indolence or hatred of those who don’t know better can’t excuse the failures of those who do, who could have said something, but didn’t because they felt it too inconvenient, unpleasant or politically perilous to do so. I believe it’s good, and I’m grateful, that some who were politically aligned with him are speaking out against him now. But I believe the country could have been saved great anguish had they done so before.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/19...
He is patently describing his wife here. With the kid’s relationship with the mother appearing to be a car crash n’all, what a barrel of laughs that household must be. I believe Donald Trump is an enemy of truth. I believe he’s a con man, a pathological liar — now the most prodigiously documented liar in American history, if not the history of the world. I believe he doesn’t care about, and may not even fully comprehend, the difference between truth and lies, between honesty and mendacity. I believe he has always said what he wants to believe, what he wants others to believe, and what he thinks he can get away with, and always will.
I believe that, as president, Trump was a danger to democracy and the rule of law, precisely because he was a danger to truth. But I believe his lies weren’t necessarily the most damaging ones to our country. Equally harmful, if not more so, were the lies that allowed him to flourish — not just others’ repetition of his lies, but also lies that many told themselves and others to justify not contradicting him — that you can’t take him literally, that you need to look at what he does or that his policies justified it all.
I believe many people didn’t know any better than to believe Trump’s lies, and still don’t. But I believe that the ignorance, intellectual indolence or hatred of those who don’t know better can’t excuse the failures of those who do, who could have said something, but didn’t because they felt it too inconvenient, unpleasant or politically perilous to do so. I believe it’s good, and I’m grateful, that some who were politically aligned with him are speaking out against him now. But I believe the country could have been saved great anguish had they done so before.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/19...
David Tamman - Mr. Tamman accepts full responsibility for his actions and numerous friends and colleagues have attested that he is a decent man who experienced a terrible lapse in judgment for which he has already paid a significant price.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/attorney-who-...
Is there a reason trump is pardoning people who have commited tax and financial fraud? trying to set a precident?
"These actions were done at the behest of a client who was perpetrating a Ponzi scheme upon unsuspecting investors. ", obstruction of justice, lying to the judge and investigators
Hum - who do we know who does these...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/attorney-who-...
Is there a reason trump is pardoning people who have commited tax and financial fraud? trying to set a precident?
"These actions were done at the behest of a client who was perpetrating a Ponzi scheme upon unsuspecting investors. ", obstruction of justice, lying to the judge and investigators
Hum - who do we know who does these...
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 20th January 07:12
Trump scorched earth - yesterday tried to lift the CV-19 travel ban, today, with hours to go, trump lifts the ethics rules he put into place in January 2017 and opens up the lobbying gates, freeing his own former aides from the limits he had imposed on their ability to lobby the government.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ex...
Remember in January 2017, flanked by his top aides, President Trump made a big show out of signing an executive order that would, among other things, institute a five year ban on former aides lobbying.
Part of his "drain the swamp" pledge.
Tonight, Trump rescinded the executive order.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1351781433115742208
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ex...
Remember in January 2017, flanked by his top aides, President Trump made a big show out of signing an executive order that would, among other things, institute a five year ban on former aides lobbying.
Part of his "drain the swamp" pledge.
Tonight, Trump rescinded the executive order.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1351781433115742208
Another 'pardon'?
The Justice Department informed Senator Richard M. Burr, Republican of North Carolina, on Tuesday that it would not pursue insider trading charges against him, quietly ending a monthslong investigation into his dumping of hundreds of thousands of dollars in stock in the turbulent early days of the coronavirus pandemic.
The decision by the department effectively cleared a cloud of legal jeopardy that has loomed over Mr. Burr since the sales were first disclosed in March. At the crux of the case was whether Mr. Burr, then the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, had acted based on nonpublic information about the contagion that he received at senators-only briefings.
A handful of other senators drew similar scrutiny for their trades over the same period and were cleared in the spring and summer. Mr. Burr’s case proved far more complicated and included grand jury subpoenas and a search of his electronic storage accounts. At one point, the F.B.I. seized his cellphone — a highly invasive tactic for a sitting member of Congress that required signoff by Attorney General William P. Barr.
Mr. Burr, 65, insisted throughout that he had acted within the law, but preemptively stepped down from his Intelligence Committee post to avoid distractions and adopted a low profile in the Senate. He had already planned to retire when his term ends in 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/us/politics/ric...
The Justice Department informed Senator Richard M. Burr, Republican of North Carolina, on Tuesday that it would not pursue insider trading charges against him, quietly ending a monthslong investigation into his dumping of hundreds of thousands of dollars in stock in the turbulent early days of the coronavirus pandemic.
The decision by the department effectively cleared a cloud of legal jeopardy that has loomed over Mr. Burr since the sales were first disclosed in March. At the crux of the case was whether Mr. Burr, then the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, had acted based on nonpublic information about the contagion that he received at senators-only briefings.
A handful of other senators drew similar scrutiny for their trades over the same period and were cleared in the spring and summer. Mr. Burr’s case proved far more complicated and included grand jury subpoenas and a search of his electronic storage accounts. At one point, the F.B.I. seized his cellphone — a highly invasive tactic for a sitting member of Congress that required signoff by Attorney General William P. Barr.
Mr. Burr, 65, insisted throughout that he had acted within the law, but preemptively stepped down from his Intelligence Committee post to avoid distractions and adopted a low profile in the Senate. He had already planned to retire when his term ends in 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/us/politics/ric...
Byker28i said:
Ah so nice to be back to complaints abouts tan suits
FFS! The last president ran his mouth off on his personal, unsecure iphone on twitter and shared state secrets with russia.
Seriously. He has a Peloton bike and that makes him not an ordinary person? This is one of the problems in modern politics. People acting like you have to be in abject poverty or your not an ordinary person. Complaining a £2k spin bike goes against that image yet Trump, who has lived a life so detached from the rest of the world that I bet he could not function without a team of staff, is a man of the people... it’s just insane.FFS! The last president ran his mouth off on his personal, unsecure iphone on twitter and shared state secrets with russia.
Electro1980 said:
Byker28i said:
Ah so nice to be back to complaints abouts tan suits
FFS! The last president ran his mouth off on his personal, unsecure iphone on twitter and shared state secrets with russia.
Seriously. He has a Peloton bike and that makes him not an ordinary person? This is one of the problems in modern politics. People acting like you have to be in abject poverty or your not an ordinary person. Complaining a £2k spin bike goes against that image yet Trump, who has lived a life so detached from the rest of the world that I bet he could not function without a team of staff, is a man of the people... it’s just insane.FFS! The last president ran his mouth off on his personal, unsecure iphone on twitter and shared state secrets with russia.
How do trump nutters spend his last night of his presidency, a midnight sing song, nope lets protest outside the alleged Pizzagate restaurant.
In a fitting finale to the Trump years in hometown DC, a group of homophobic conspiracy theorists gathered to shout slogans outside Chevy Chase’s Comet Ping Pong restaurant—only to leave after the eatery drowned out their bullhorn with loud music, to the delight of a large crowd that had gathered to dance in the street.
A group of about 20 people gathered outside the restaurant early Tuesday evening, waving signs about abortion and hell, some of which bear the URL of a group called “Official Street Preachers.” Asked why they were bringing this message to a pizza place in leafy Chevy Chase DC, one protester told Washingtonian, “Pedophilia. They serve up little boys on pizza over there.”
Comet’s harasser is referring to a bogus conspiracy theory about Comet that sprung into view in DC just before the 2016 election, as memelords who supported Donald Trump began a campaign of harassing Comet based on warped online “detective” work that sprang from stolen Hillary Clinton campaign emails. The half-baked idea, a precursor of QAnon, was called “Pizzagate”: a theory that the neighborhood eatery was somehow the center of a vast pedophilia ring among Washington elites. It would almost be funny had it not led to Comet and businesses up and down its block getting harassed and, eventually, a gunman walking into the restaurant a little more than four years ago carrying a loaded rifle with the idea he would “investigate” its basement dungeon. (There is no basement at Comet.)
This is brilliant
On Tuesday night, however, Comet patrons fought back. As a large phalanx of police looked on, the restaurant blasted music that drowned out the protesters, including “We Will Rock You,” Bill Withers’s “Lovely Day,” and “Hit the Road Jack.” Alefantis brought the protesters champagne on a tray, which an apparent leader of the group declined by pouring out his glass, then accidentally knocking over the whole tray. Comet patrons began dancing around the protesters and singing, and eventually outnumbered them to the point that they piled into a white van with Ohio plates and left.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/19/conspirac...
Oh and there's video's
https://youtu.be/4oe3d274Osg
https://youtu.be/3b5HhhFviRI
In a fitting finale to the Trump years in hometown DC, a group of homophobic conspiracy theorists gathered to shout slogans outside Chevy Chase’s Comet Ping Pong restaurant—only to leave after the eatery drowned out their bullhorn with loud music, to the delight of a large crowd that had gathered to dance in the street.
A group of about 20 people gathered outside the restaurant early Tuesday evening, waving signs about abortion and hell, some of which bear the URL of a group called “Official Street Preachers.” Asked why they were bringing this message to a pizza place in leafy Chevy Chase DC, one protester told Washingtonian, “Pedophilia. They serve up little boys on pizza over there.”
Comet’s harasser is referring to a bogus conspiracy theory about Comet that sprung into view in DC just before the 2016 election, as memelords who supported Donald Trump began a campaign of harassing Comet based on warped online “detective” work that sprang from stolen Hillary Clinton campaign emails. The half-baked idea, a precursor of QAnon, was called “Pizzagate”: a theory that the neighborhood eatery was somehow the center of a vast pedophilia ring among Washington elites. It would almost be funny had it not led to Comet and businesses up and down its block getting harassed and, eventually, a gunman walking into the restaurant a little more than four years ago carrying a loaded rifle with the idea he would “investigate” its basement dungeon. (There is no basement at Comet.)
This is brilliant
On Tuesday night, however, Comet patrons fought back. As a large phalanx of police looked on, the restaurant blasted music that drowned out the protesters, including “We Will Rock You,” Bill Withers’s “Lovely Day,” and “Hit the Road Jack.” Alefantis brought the protesters champagne on a tray, which an apparent leader of the group declined by pouring out his glass, then accidentally knocking over the whole tray. Comet patrons began dancing around the protesters and singing, and eventually outnumbered them to the point that they piled into a white van with Ohio plates and left.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/19/conspirac...
Oh and there's video's
https://youtu.be/4oe3d274Osg
https://youtu.be/3b5HhhFviRI
Breadvan72 said:
Well said.
If the GOP Senators had convicted Trump last year, as on the evidence they should have, it is a reasonable assumption that Pence as President would have done more about C19 than he did when acting under the instructions of Trump. The Dems would probably have won the election, and there would not have been months of division and crowd stoking about the outcome.
Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell have decided to attend Mass with Biden this morning before his inauguration, so they can't go to trumps sendoff, trying to rewrite history and distance themselves from trump That was the point of McConnells speach yesterday blaming trump, he's not going to give up and thinks he can bring the GOP back together after allowing trump free reign for four years, blocking Obama before that...If the GOP Senators had convicted Trump last year, as on the evidence they should have, it is a reasonable assumption that Pence as President would have done more about C19 than he did when acting under the instructions of Trump. The Dems would probably have won the election, and there would not have been months of division and crowd stoking about the outcome.
It's a show by them, trying now to claim unity for the good of the people, like grabbing a single fire extinguisher after setting the entire building on fire, handing the arsonist several gallons of petrol, danced on the rubble, and when the fire brigade turn up try to say "look what he's done" despite everything recorded on camera...
Perhaps the priest will pray for forgiveness for them. The american people shouldn't forgive them.
Breadvan72 said:
paua said:
Can ( patently unjust/ corrupt, etc) presidential pardons be overturned?
No. The pardon power is very wide. A self pardon could be challenged. Apparently Hannity spent a large part of his show last night attacking Mitch McConnell, calling for himto step down as the Republican leader in the Senate, all because McConnell dared to publicly admit today that Trump incited the January 6th insurrection.
He also used a portion of his show tonight to push old and tired phony conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton.
I hope this the end of Hannity... No pardon for him and he was at one point right in trumps closet circle...
He also used a portion of his show tonight to push old and tired phony conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton.
I hope this the end of Hannity... No pardon for him and he was at one point right in trumps closet circle...
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