45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)
Discussion
CoolHands said:
How? The thread was dominated by him. I did post a handful of times but him and a few of you just ridicule anyone who doesn’t hate trump. He nearly won the 2nd term so clearly millions of people don’t agree with the one-sided view put across by byker
Byker was only documenting the illegal or immoral things Trump has done. That has nothing to do with liking him or not. captain_cynic said:
tangerine_sedge said:
rxtx said:
Castrol for a knave said:
Been toying with packing this place in, NP&E reads like the pages of Stormfront.
It certainly seems that way to me too.Ignorant of English, as they are ignorant of most things, they think that by substituting 'the word' for another then they can pretend their obviously racist statement isn't racist. The kind of person who refers to the people they don't like as "them" or "those people" oft followed up with "you know what 'they're' like". They know what they are writing, so do the rest of us but if you point it out they're all "I didn't say the word, your cancelling meeeeee" and play the victim card.
I'm sure we've all met the old racist boy at the pub, the one who hides in the corner and never smiles (as not to show the teeth he's missing). They're the online equivalent of him.
Anyway, enough of that. I hope that this mess with Byker gets sorted out... but I doubt it will. If he gets set up somewhere else be sure to let us know. I'm starting to think Mumsnet would be a less toxic place than here these days.
Have a read of the thread about the BLM activist that was shot recently. The hate and gloating on their about her shooting is very disturbing and all justified “because she is a racist”.
JeffreyD said:
I wonder if it's just a single mod, as I am banned from the Johnson thread for absolutely spurious reasons.
Me too. Someone called me an idiot as I posted something that they disliked, and I responded by saying that I didn’t think that they were in any position to do so. Banned, with the mid emailing me saying that I didn’t appear to be very intelligent if that’s how I argued.paua said:
Prolex-UK said:
Al Gorithum said:
HM-2 said:
Unfortunately there will apparently be no further updates from Byker in this thread. Seems he's no longer welcome here.
Why?Edited by HM-2 on Saturday 19th June 11:11
A clear and concise explanation from PH towers is appropriate here.
DanL said:
Centurion07 said:
Right, and?
We were all happy for it to continue in that way. In fact, that was exactly WHY it had continued to run for so long.
My point is that if only one person is driving a thread, it should die - it’s someone’s personal obsession, rather than a discussion. Might as well just run a blog. We were all happy for it to continue in that way. In fact, that was exactly WHY it had continued to run for so long.
His input to the thread during the Trump years was great, but that time has (happily) passed. It makes more sense to me to start a new thread detailing the fallout from Trump’s time as president, and this would have the happy side effect of being a thread Byker isn’t banned from… It may also draw others to comment, making it a little “healthier”.
NP&E has turned into a cesspool of veiled racism and dumb-arse idiots. These idiots are everywhere, as evidenced on the Covid-19 and GB News threads.
"New" members (we all know they aren't new) jumping in with strong opinions on controversial threads is not natural. There is no real moderation, and there's nothing done to stem the rejoining of these banned posters. Posters mean advertising views of course, so why would they?
NP&E has had its day. You have people like Not the Messiah, Harrison Bergeron, and various other freaks quite happily posting their crap while people like Byker are banned, and MX5Biologist won't even have anything more to do with it.
The only conclusion I can come to is the moderator that banned Byker must think along the same lines as people that think the last US election was stolen, or Alex Jones speaks some truth.
I see this turn of events has brought some more hard of thinking people into this thread. Shame on you, Pistonheads moderation team. I think I'm done. You never had any advertising revenue from me anyway, so I'm no loss.
Have a hard think about what direction you want to go in.
"New" members (we all know they aren't new) jumping in with strong opinions on controversial threads is not natural. There is no real moderation, and there's nothing done to stem the rejoining of these banned posters. Posters mean advertising views of course, so why would they?
NP&E has had its day. You have people like Not the Messiah, Harrison Bergeron, and various other freaks quite happily posting their crap while people like Byker are banned, and MX5Biologist won't even have anything more to do with it.
The only conclusion I can come to is the moderator that banned Byker must think along the same lines as people that think the last US election was stolen, or Alex Jones speaks some truth.
I see this turn of events has brought some more hard of thinking people into this thread. Shame on you, Pistonheads moderation team. I think I'm done. You never had any advertising revenue from me anyway, so I'm no loss.
Have a hard think about what direction you want to go in.
tangerine_sedge said:
I'm seriously thinking of leaving Pistonheads.
The volume of obviously trolling sock puppet accounts, the "I'm not racist but..." posters, those who fill NP&E with any and every news item that can be used to attack muslims/BLM/wokists/leftists, the ant-vax b
ks, and now this. Byker is one of the few posters to actually post interesting and useful information, setting a standard that few other threads can match.
It feels that the culture has changed here for the worse, and it's gone from a nice country pub where all are welcome to one of those flat roof estate pubs. I blame the prevelance of iphones enabling every Tom, Dick & Harry to "SpEAk ThEIr bRaiNs" as if they have something worthwhile to say /snobbery.
Well done Mods - You've fked up.
That really doesn't read as if "all are welcome"... only those that agree with you, and as such it's a great summary of this thread.The volume of obviously trolling sock puppet accounts, the "I'm not racist but..." posters, those who fill NP&E with any and every news item that can be used to attack muslims/BLM/wokists/leftists, the ant-vax b
ks, and now this. Byker is one of the few posters to actually post interesting and useful information, setting a standard that few other threads can match.It feels that the culture has changed here for the worse, and it's gone from a nice country pub where all are welcome to one of those flat roof estate pubs. I blame the prevelance of iphones enabling every Tom, Dick & Harry to "SpEAk ThEIr bRaiNs" as if they have something worthwhile to say /snobbery.
Well done Mods - You've f
ked up.Fast and Spurious said:
That really doesn't read as if "all are welcome"... only those that agree with you, and as such it's a great summary of this thread.
Thus simply isn't, and has never been the case in my experience. There are a number of posters who have made eloquent and informed contributions that buck the trend of criticism but the overwhelming majority of Trump supporting posting that's been going on has comprised a combination of obvious trolling, drive-by stposting, insults, diatribes about "leftists", whataboutism and other blatant fallacy, all of which has been characterised by a complete refusal to engage with other contributors.Blaming Trump detractors for the poor showing Trump supporters and apologists have by and large managed and lamenting the one-sidedness of a debate the other side actually refuses to commit to seems, to my eye at least,rather unreasonable.
BadBull said:
Macroni18 said:
Glad to see some evenhandedness from the moderators, well done.
Previously, only posts that questioned the anti-Trump brigade in this thread were taken down.
That's not the case.Previously, only posts that questioned the anti-Trump brigade in this thread were taken down.
Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 20th June 08:43
Northernboy said:
JeffreyD said:
I wonder if it's just a single mod, as I am banned from the Johnson thread for absolutely spurious reasons.
Me too. Someone called me an idiot as I posted something that they disliked, and I responded by saying that I didn’t think that they were in any position to do so. Banned, with the mid emailing me saying that I didn’t appear to be very intelligent if that’s how I argued.For a long time this thread was my go to every morning all thanks to Bykers invaluable contributions.
CoolHands said:
How? The thread was dominated by him. I did post a handful of times but him and a few of you just ridicule anyone who doesn’t hate trump. He nearly won the 2nd term so clearly millions of people don’t agree with the one-sided view put across by byker
The thread statistics show 284 of 5336 posts on this thread were made by Byker. You have a very odd concept of 'dominate'. Undoubtedly those posts in turn generated a significant amount of discussion amongst the thread participants, but if you think that's a bad thing then you also have a very odd concept of 'forum' as well.There is something very wrong with this particular piece of moderation. The fact that the moderators as a whole have gone very, very quiet over the past 24 hours is indicative that a significant number of that congregation aren't happy with it either.
What a peculiar way to start locking down data.
Just seen Big Al’s comments on Byker’s thread.
I cannot see why Byker has suddenly been banned from this thread, and apparently without warning.
Feels very very harsh, and needs more than just quoting Rule 16, surely.
I rarely post in NP&E, but find this moderation mildly disturbing.
Just seen Big Al’s comments on Byker’s thread.
I cannot see why Byker has suddenly been banned from this thread, and apparently without warning.
Feels very very harsh, and needs more than just quoting Rule 16, surely.
I rarely post in NP&E, but find this moderation mildly disturbing.
I find PH such a varied bag these days I rarely log on to read anything other than this thread. Bykers posts have been my go-to source of Trump updates for literally years now and it's a crying shame that some mod has banned him for basically doing what he does.
PH has always gone through phases. This period is not one of its good ones.
PH has always gone through phases. This period is not one of its good ones.
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