45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)
Discussion
to suffer.captain_cynic said:
Vizsla said:
I share your frustration. However, think Watergate, took 2 years to slowly and painfully expose the truth, with Nixon using everything in his considerable power as incumbent president to hamper the investigation. Work up from the bottom of the rancid heap, people will eventually sink him to save their own necks.
Yep. This one is going much faster than Watergate. In any free and fair legal system the onus is always on the prosecution and advantage to the defender (as it should be mind you) so the prosecution needs an iron clad case where as Trump only needs to establish reaonsbale doubt.
However since the begining they've treated the investigation like they would take down a mafia Don. So I have no doubt they'll get Trump unless he dies first.
trump fell back on using Giuliani as his fall guy, his go to, but he didn't have anywhere near the intelligence Cohen had and now all his documents and phones have been seized over trumps attempt to get Ukraine to manufacture dirt against Biden, plus he's the person who delivered all the faked certificate templates to the states that filled in fraudulent electoral claims and held meetings with them.
trump is also a slam dunk for a prosecution in Georgia, we've all heard the phone call where he asked the Gov to 'find' him one more vote than Biden. That also allegedly went on in other states, with Clark, Meadows, Giuliani and others joining trump to try to pressure election officials to fraudulently claim trump win, either by finding votes or losing votes for Biden.
We know about Kanye Wests agent pressurising the Georgia election officials, promising them a mob outside their door if they didn't 'confess' to moving trump votes to Biden, which they didn't do. We know a mob later turned up at their door and they had to go into hiding.
Meadows has already revealed he hasn't the spine for protecting trump, so pressure on him will see him fold, as will others now that trumps claim of executive privilege has gone. Others such as Powell, Lindell, Giuliani, Stone, Flynn will still believe in trump and I doubt give him up.
But the plot and planning behind getting 7 states plus votes thrown out by Pence over fraudulent claims of voter fraud, to give trump the win by two votes, was huge and involved many people. 81 people now who signed fraudulent documents, all the others involved in creating and planning that. The 60 plus failed law suits in those states were part of this attempt to claim fraud to give a sense of authority for Pence to not accept those state votes.
The month plus long planning in the insurrection attempt, the distraction rally, getting the magamob to the capitol as the distraction, whilst the maga militia broke in with inside knowledge of the weak spots. After Pence refused of 3rd and 5th Jan to do trumps bidding, the maga militia plan was changed to destroy the electoral vote envelopes, to take hostages and hold the capitol (hence the QRF and weapons stash in nearby hotels).
Many people were involved in that and are looking at serious prison time, so we've already seen many take plea deals.
Once it all starts to break, theres only a short time for those seeking plea deals to take their opportunity, before everything is known (if not already) and their information is worthless. There will be a tipping point, but many will be going to jail over 6 Jan, more than just the 700 odd minions charged already.
But its building the case, bottom up, which is what the DOJ has been doing. we know the trump insurrection investigation knows more than their saying.
Whether trump faces jail over the insurrection attempt is mute, he'll throw everyone in first, especially Don jnr, Meadows, Giuliani etc claiming he knew nothing...
Same with the NY and Manhatten fraud cases, it's why Don jnr is losing the plot, he knows how much trouble he's in. It's why Ivanka has surfaced after a year of silence and trying to hide from the public eye. Lets not forget he's also being investigated for tax fraud in other states over his golf clubs etc, he could still face money laundering investigation in Scotland, if it wasn't embarrassing for the Scottish Govt.
With Georgia, it's a slam dunk. We have trump on tape, Meadows has handed over docs to the trump insurrection investigation.
Once one prosecutor starts with charges, I expect many others will follow, but it takes time to build the case, slowly, carefully. It has to be watertight and even when it is, I suspect trump will again call for violence from the magamob...
trumps running out of money, his business is still losing money lots and there's only so much he can take from the Pacs. He's down to $93m in cash and you can see why he;s got the RNC paying his legal bills, not only because he's tight but he has cash flow problems.
I expect another trump bankrupcy before he goes to jail, and that will hurt him much, much more. As magalago is now classed as his home, they can't take that, but could seize whatever assets he has left, which would be worth a lot less than trump values them at. It could be his final days are him camped out there, complaining to anyone how he was innocent, it was all a plot.
Jail time would be the icing on the cake.
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