The EU v UK vaccine tussle
Discussion
crankedup said:
London424 said:
It’s starting to get messy over there
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/eu-t...
Quite a few countries have stopped declining and are stuck or increasing. France, Italy, Czech to name a few.
Each Country has a prime responsibility for the health and well being of its population. Looks like the EC is overstepping itself again. Will they ever learn, seems not which gives me cheer that we left. I do feel sympathy for those people stuck with the nutters in charge.Instructions to open borders whilst a Global pandemic is prevalent and vaccine rollout is abysmal, unreal.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/eu-t...
Quite a few countries have stopped declining and are stuck or increasing. France, Italy, Czech to name a few.
Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 February 19:49
RichFN2 said:
Without wishing to derail this thread but I do wonder if countries like Hungary that have an anti EU undertone in recent years might now push for leaving the EU. They were spitting feathers over the migrant crisis but the EU vaccine situation, having to turn to Russia & China for a better response and now being told to open their borders with a global pandemic on might be enough to get the momentum going.
I don't see it. 5bn Euros goes a long way.Murph7355 said:
RichFN2 said:
Without wishing to derail this thread but I do wonder if countries like Hungary that have an anti EU undertone in recent years might now push for leaving the EU. They were spitting feathers over the migrant crisis but the EU vaccine situation, having to turn to Russia & China for a better response and now being told to open their borders with a global pandemic on might be enough to get the momentum going.
I don't see it. 5bn Euros goes a long way.CraigyMc said:
It wasn't that long ago the reports were about Hungary and Poland being ejected from the EU (or at least from EU funding) for not "respecting rule of law" when they work together against the other 25, they can pretty much hold up most things, including budgets.
While Germany broke the bloc buy of vaccines and sought to secure some for themselves. And wasn’t punished.Rank hypocrisy.
vaud said:
CraigyMc said:
It wasn't that long ago the reports were about Hungary and Poland being ejected from the EU (or at least from EU funding) for not "respecting rule of law" when they work together against the other 25, they can pretty much hold up most things, including budgets.
While Germany broke the bloc buy of vaccines and sought to secure some for themselves. And wasn’t punished.Rank hypocrisy.
They aren't the same thing, but they are both "going outside of EU norms". Germany's position appears to be "my ball, my rules" here.
Earthdweller said:
Reports today that there’s been a massive spike in holiday bookings to the sun
Looking at the figures of vaccines and the rising numbers in Spain, Italy, France I really can’t see them happening at all
Vaccinated or not will travel be allowed to high infection areas ?
I don't see problems with people being allowed to leave.Looking at the figures of vaccines and the rising numbers in Spain, Italy, France I really can’t see them happening at all
Vaccinated or not will travel be allowed to high infection areas ?
Coming back in may be a different matter if somewhere like Alicante gets on the red list. The el cheapo sun and sangria package deal might come with a UK hotel stay before you're able to go home.
Merkel now saying they are into a 3rd wave
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02...
This will get messy, poor buggers
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02...
This will get messy, poor buggers
jsf said:
paulrockliffe said:
Apparently the AZ delivery to the EU in the second quarter will only be 50% of the expected amount. Prediction is 130m of the 300m doses anticipated in Q1 and Q2
Fireworks or still too embarrassed after last time?
There is fk all they can do about it. This is not like making soup.Fireworks or still too embarrassed after last time?
The UK by throwing a st ton of money at AZ production owned a peice of their ass, where the EU contract said " pretty please can we have some vaccines"
Or something along those lines.
I think this is one big reason the EU supplies have been hugely affected and the UK supply less so.
Edit: Here it is
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-difference...
Wombat3 said:
Merkel now saying they are into a 3rd wave
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02...
This will get messy, poor buggers
The trend on the continent is doubleplus ungood.https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02...
This will get messy, poor buggers
The UK's bad news rate has been much higher but the trend here is okay. Over there, not so much.
The incidence of C-19 per country today (new per day, per million population)
- Germany 60
- UK 157
Neither are comfortable. The primary thing the UK has going for it in regards C19 is the vaccination program.
Edited by CraigyMc on Tuesday 23 February 21:42
CraigyMc said:
The trend on the continent is doubleplus ungood.
The UK's bad news rate has been much higher but the trend here is okay. Over there, not so much.
The incidence of C-19 per country today:
Neither are comfortable. The primary thing the UK has going for it in regards C19 is the vaccination program.
Although in all seriousness, not wanting to get into a Deltona rant but there really are only four weeks to go until the date that was the peak last year. If the pattern is the same this year Germany may not actually get to the rate the UK is currently at before the seasonal decline. The UK's bad news rate has been much higher but the trend here is okay. Over there, not so much.
The incidence of C-19 per country today:
- Germany 60
- UK 157
Neither are comfortable. The primary thing the UK has going for it in regards C19 is the vaccination program.
I'm aware that South Africa is "the other way round" and didn't show a similar summer slowdown but it's also warm most of the year there, the seasons aren't really like Northern Europe.
I think there is reason to be optimistic that Germany (and the others) won't be hit too hard after all.
CraigyMc said:
Wombat3 said:
Merkel now saying they are into a 3rd wave
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02...
This will get messy, poor buggers
The trend on the continent is doubleplus ungood.https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02...
This will get messy, poor buggers
The UK's bad news rate has been much higher but the trend here is okay. Over there, not so much.
The incidence of C-19 per country today:
- Germany 60
- UK 157
Neither are comfortable. The primary thing the UK has going for it in regards C19 is the vaccination program.
Flooble said:
CraigyMc said:
The trend on the continent is doubleplus ungood.
The UK's bad news rate has been much higher but the trend here is okay. Over there, not so much.
The incidence of C-19 per country today:
Neither are comfortable. The primary thing the UK has going for it in regards C19 is the vaccination program.
Although in all seriousness, not wanting to get into a Deltona rant but there really are only four weeks to go until the date that was the peak last year. If the pattern is the same this year Germany may not actually get to the rate the UK is currently at before the seasonal decline. The UK's bad news rate has been much higher but the trend here is okay. Over there, not so much.
The incidence of C-19 per country today:
- Germany 60
- UK 157
Neither are comfortable. The primary thing the UK has going for it in regards C19 is the vaccination program.
I'm aware that South Africa is "the other way round" and didn't show a similar summer slowdown but it's also warm most of the year there, the seasons aren't really like Northern Europe.
I think there is reason to be optimistic that Germany (and the others) won't be hit too hard after all.
NextSlidePlease said:
Has the "UK variant" got a foothold in any European country yet? It tore us a new one and the trend charts don't look good for many EU countries currently.
I just hope they don't see the same spike we did after Christmas. We all need to exit this mess together.
Yes, very much so, this is what we have been seeing , total cases staying at fairly static levels but switching between the original and new variants. Its now reached the point where total cases are starting to climb & its likely to do exactly what it did here. Its hard to tell exactly how many cases are new Variant because they don't do enough Genomic testing but where they have been doing it it was over 35% new Variant in France and it spreads MUCH faster. I just hope they don't see the same spike we did after Christmas. We all need to exit this mess together.
Case doubling rate is around 7-10 days (versus maybe 30 days for the original one IIRC)
Wombat3 said:
NextSlidePlease said:
Has the "UK variant" got a foothold in any European country yet? It tore us a new one and the trend charts don't look good for many EU countries currently.
I just hope they don't see the same spike we did after Christmas. We all need to exit this mess together.
Yes, very much so, this is what we have been seeing , total cases staying at fairly static levels but switching between the original and new variants. Its now reached the point where total cases are starting to climb & its likely to do exactly what it did here. Its hard to tell exactly how many cases are new Variant because they don't do enough Genomic testing but where they have been doing it it was over 35% new Variant in France and it spreads MUCH faster. I just hope they don't see the same spike we did after Christmas. We all need to exit this mess together.
Case doubling rate is around 7-10 days (versus maybe 30 days for the original one IIRC)
3 weeks ago the incidence of B117 (the Kent variant) was 20%. 2 weeks ago it was 27%. I don't have more up to date data than that but you can see the direction it was going in.
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