The EU v UK vaccine tussle

[DeltonaS]

jsf said:

Does Deltona ever get anything correct?

The mexican flu was 2009 as well.

O dear, sorry my posted facts and opinions do not fit your narrative. A narrative that has a very clear direction.

And If the Mexican flue was 2009 , 2006 or whatever year is obviously very uninteresting in this context.

The EMA's human medicines committee will assess the application, and could issue its ruling midway through March. "Such a short time for evaluation is only possible because EMA has already reviewed some data during a rolling review," the EMA stated. If approved, it could be the first single-dose vaccine allowed for use in the European Union, with the Netherlands having the right to acquire nearly 11.3 million doses throughout 2021.

Meaning, and that's my assertion, that togehter with the other vaccines we'll have enough people vaccinated by the end of august.

So the UK's lead is a "nice to have" but in the grand scheme of things the real finish line is the end of the summer; august 2021.

[Lotobear]

DeltonaS said:

O dear, sorry my posted facts and opinions do not fit your narrative. A narrative that has a very clear direction.

And If the Mexican flue was 2009 , 2006 or whatever year is obviously very uninteresting in this context.

The EMA's human medicines committee will assess the application, and could issue its ruling midway through March. "Such a short time for evaluation is only possible because EMA has already reviewed some data during a rolling review," the EMA stated. If approved, it could be the first single-dose vaccine allowed for use in the European Union, with the Netherlands having the right to acquire nearly 11.3 million doses throughout 2021.

Meaning, and that's my assertion, that togehter with the other vaccines we'll have enough people vaccinated by the end of august.

So the UK's lead is a "nice to have" but in the grand scheme of things the real finish line is the end of the summer; august 2021.

Mexican Flue

[LordLoveLength]

Blib said:

Ursula Von der Leyen doubles down.

EU is 'catching up' with UK on coronavirus vaccinations, says Ursula von der Leyen

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/24/eu-cat...

So Ursula, do those figures include those EU member states who sourced their own supplies of vaccine?
Is there anything about the EC that isn’t a pile of steaming st, incompetence and corruption hidden by smoke and mirrors?

[isaldiri]

DeltonaS said:

O dear, sorry my posted facts and opinions .

Your posted so called fact per above was obviously wrong.

[paulrockliffe]

LordLoveLength said:

Blib said:

Ursula Von der Leyen doubles down.

EU is 'catching up' with UK on coronavirus vaccinations, says Ursula von der Leyen

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/24/eu-cat...

So Ursula, do those figures include those EU member states who sourced their own supplies of vaccine?
Is there anything about the EC that isn’t a pile of steaming st, incompetence and corruption hidden by smoke and mirrors?

The whole thing is a flat out lie, the per-capita figure shows the UK accelerating away from the EU. Per Capita is all that matters.

In terms of health protection it's clear that prioritising a gap between doses over double-dosing is the right thing to do as it gives more people protection faster.

[768]

Blib said:

EU is 'catching up' with UK

Get used to it Ursula.

The comparisons, like comparing injected UK doses with those not even bottled in the EU and second doses in one country using a shorter dosing interval, are very telling.

[JagLover]

Lotobear said:

DeltonaS said:

O dear, sorry my posted facts and opinions do not fit your narrative. A narrative that has a very clear direction.

And If the Mexican flue was 2009 , 2006 or whatever year is obviously very uninteresting in this context.

The EMA's human medicines committee will assess the application, and could issue its ruling midway through March. "Such a short time for evaluation is only possible because EMA has already reviewed some data during a rolling review," the EMA stated. If approved, it could be the first single-dose vaccine allowed for use in the European Union, with the Netherlands having the right to acquire nearly 11.3 million doses throughout 2021.

Meaning, and that's my assertion, that togehter with the other vaccines we'll have enough people vaccinated by the end of august.

So the UK's lead is a "nice to have" but in the grand scheme of things the real finish line is the end of the summer; august 2021.

Mexican Flue

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Does Deltona ever get anything correct?

Not that I’ve ever seen. His posts on economics are even more ignorant. Presumably there’s a subject he knows something about. I’m guessing something like football.

[anonymous-user]

“ mounting evidence of the AstraZeneca vaccine being rejected and left unused in fridges following weeks of bad publicity, including Emmanuel Macron’s unsubstantiated claim that it is “quasi-ineffective” among older groups.”

Great work by Macron and Von de Leyen.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/24/astr...

[andy43]

paulrockliffe said:

LordLoveLength said:

Blib said:

Ursula Von der Leyen doubles down.

EU is 'catching up' with UK on coronavirus vaccinations, says Ursula von der Leyen

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/24/eu-cat...

So Ursula, do those figures include those EU member states who sourced their own supplies of vaccine?
Is there anything about the EC that isn’t a pile of steaming st, incompetence and corruption hidden by smoke and mirrors?

The whole thing is a flat out lie, the per-capita figure shows the UK accelerating away from the EU. Per Capita is all that matters.

In terms of health protection it's clear that prioritising a gap between doses over double-dosing is the right thing to do as it gives more people protection faster.

Ancient english proverb say when in a hole, stop digging. She must have heard of that?

[Blackpuddin]

fblm said:

“ mounting evidence of the AstraZeneca vaccine being rejected and left unused in fridges following weeks of bad publicity, including Emmanuel Macron’s unsubstantiated claim that it is “quasi-ineffective” among older groups.”

Great work by Macron and Von de Leyen.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/24/astr...

Given the EU's 'all together now' stance on this, technically at least, how is that arrogant bigoted dumbbell Macron allowed to make rogue unsubstantiated statements about the AZ vaccine? Especially with VDL saying there's nowt wrong with the AZ vaccine? If I was the CEO of AZ I'd be getting the lawyers in for a little chat about the prospect of a juicy Dominion-style lawsuit against Macron.

Furthermore, why is Germany not being punished for going its own way on procurement? And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

[Lotobear]

Blackpuddin said:

Given the EU's 'all together now' stance on this, technically at least, how is that arrogant bigoted dumbbell Macron allowed to make rogue unsubstantiated statements about the AZ vaccine? Especially with VDL saying there's nowt wrong with the AZ vaccine? If I was the CEO of AZ I'd be getting the lawyers in for a little chat about the prospect of a juicy Dominion-style lawsuit against Macron.

Furthermore, why is Germany not being punished for going its own way on procurement? And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

Germany always gets a free pass don't forget..

[Blib]

Blackpuddin said:

And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

Iirc, yesterday the EU gave Germany et al 10 days to explain themselves and to do something about it.

[Blackpuddin]

Blib said:

Blackpuddin said:

And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

Iirc, yesterday the EU gave Germany et al 10 days to explain themselves and to do something about it.

It will be fascinating to see what the outcome of that is. The only possible outcomes surely are (1) yes, as EU members we must open our borders immediately, and (2) nah, when it comes to pandemics we're taking our EU hats off and going national. I wouldn't put a plugged nickel on (1) happening, so where does (2) leave the EU project?

[Tyre Tread]

Blackpuddin said:

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The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful perfectly normal.

FTFY

[gooner1]

Blackpuddin said:

Blib said:

Blackpuddin said:

And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

Iirc, yesterday the EU gave Germany et al 10 days to explain themselves and to do something about it.

It will be fascinating to see what the outcome of that is. The only possible outcomes surely are (1) yes, as EU members we must open our borders immediately, and (2) nah, when it comes to pandemics we're taking our EU hats off and going national. I wouldn't put a plugged nickel on (1) happening, so where does (2) leave the EU project?

Uber allexit?

[CraigyMc]

gooner1 said:

Blackpuddin said:

Blib said:

Blackpuddin said:

And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

Iirc, yesterday the EU gave Germany et al 10 days to explain themselves and to do something about it.

It will be fascinating to see what the outcome of that is. The only possible outcomes surely are (1) yes, as EU members we must open our borders immediately, and (2) nah, when it comes to pandemics we're taking our EU hats off and going national. I wouldn't put a plugged nickel on (1) happening, so where does (2) leave the EU project?

Uber allexit?

Dexit?

Except, the treaty actually has a clause that allows them to do it.
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/polic...

[Northernboy]

DeltonaS said:

O dear, sorry my posted facts and opinions do not fit your narrative. A narrative that has a very clear direction.

They don’t match reality either. You posted an outright lie, that a new vaccine had been approved, so don’t now pretend that you didn’t.

[Blackpuddin]

CraigyMc said:

gooner1 said:

Blackpuddin said:

Blib said:

Blackpuddin said:

And what are the sanctions going to be for Germany and the other half dozen EU countries who are flagrantly abusing the freedom of movement principle with which they tried to hammer the UK during the exit negotiations?

The hypocritical cherrypicking that's going on in Brussels is disgraceful.

Iirc, yesterday the EU gave Germany et al 10 days to explain themselves and to do something about it.

It will be fascinating to see what the outcome of that is. The only possible outcomes surely are (1) yes, as EU members we must open our borders immediately, and (2) nah, when it comes to pandemics we're taking our EU hats off and going national. I wouldn't put a plugged nickel on (1) happening, so where does (2) leave the EU project?

Uber allexit?

Dexit?

Except, the treaty actually has a clause that allows them to do it.
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/polic...

How convenient. In which case, why was there a kerfuffle about the closing of the borders last week? Ignorance of that treaty clause? Or a cheap PR exercise where Brussels wants to be seen to be policing its members?

[andymadmak]

Jezza30 said:

andymadmak said:

Blib said:

Ursula Von der Leyen doubles down.

EU is 'catching up' with UK on coronavirus vaccinations, says Ursula von der Leyen

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/24/eu-cat...

Paywalled. Summary?

The European Union is catching up with Britain on coronavirus vaccinations, Ursula von der Leyen said, as she branded the British strategy of delaying the second dose as too risky.

The president of the European Commission responded to criticism that the EU vaccination roll out was too slow by pointing out that 130 countries in the world had had no jabs at all.

Mrs von der Leyen said more than twice the number of Italians than Britons had had both jabs and the EU as a whole had given out more first doses.

“We're catching up. Britain has administered 17 million first doses. There are 27 million in the EU. In Italy, with a population similar to that of Great Britain, twice as many citizens received full vaccination protection with the second dose as in the UK,” she said.

She told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper, “I think it's risky to simply postpone the second vaccination. We should adhere to the specifications that the manufacturers determined in their extensive clinical tests.”

27.47 doses per 100 people have been administered in the UK, compared to just 6.12 across the EU. 5.7 jabs per 100 people have been given in France and 6.1 in Germany.

Mrs von der Leyen said she could understand the “frustration” felt by many EU citizens as the bloc lagged behind Britain, the US, Israel and Turkey in vaccinations.

The former German defence minister added, “Nobody has been vaccinated in 130 countries around the world. Europe is among the first, albeit with fewer doses in the start-up phase than expected.”

Britain used faster emergency authorisation procedures to approve vaccines than the EU. The UK negotiated to secure the doses alone after rejecting an offer from Brussels last year to join the EU joint procurement scheme.

Britain’s vaccination strategy was far more successful than the EU’s failed and slow response to the coronavirus pandemic, Hungary’s prime minister said.

“We’ve sought to do something together that we could have managed more successfully on an individual basis – take a look at the examples of Britain or Serbia,” Viktor Orbán said.

EU leaders will call for the continuation of tight coronavirus restrictions, including bans on non-essential travel such as holidays on Thursday, four days after Boris Johnson set out his roadmap out of lockdown.

They will call for the acceleration of “authorisation, production and distribution of vaccines, as well as vaccination, in the weeks and months to come”, according to leaked draft conclusions for their Thursday video summit.

Mrs von der Leyen said that she “would take the AstraZeneca vaccine without a second thought,” after reports in Germany and elsewhere in Europe that people were reluctant to have the jab.

The AstraZeneca vaccine was falsely described as ineffectual by Emmanuel Macron and inaccurate news reports in Germany claimed it was ineffective during the row with the EU over supply shortfalls.

AstraZeneca told the European Commission it will deliver less than half the vaccines it promised for the second quarter, an EU official told Reuters on Tuesday.

The British-Swedish pharmaceutical company said it would strive to fulfil its contracted 180m vaccines.

Thank you

The woman is at best delusional, and at worst a bare faced liar. Does anyone in Europe (other than Deltona) actually believe her guff? Clearly some must be, given the unused doses going to waste