The EU v UK vaccine tussle

[Vanden Saab]

DeltonaS said:

Isn't the usual PH response; well it's The Guardian.

Or is that invalid in this case ?

Seems Englands vaccination programm is the new Falklands.

By the way it seems that the much hailed CEO of AZ Soriot, wasn't really honest:

Soriot: "When we took over the Oxford vaccine, we inherited a number of contracts. The British government had invested in production in the UK, but also with our partner in the Netherlands." In the first instance, Halix from Leiden would even be fully used to produce for the United Kingdom. That is no longer the case.

In an earlier interview, Soriot said that vaccines manufactured in the British production chain cannot simply be used to compensate for setbacks for the EU. Now he admits that the British production chain can also be located on the European mainland, in this case in the Netherlands.

The big question now is whether AstraZeneca has violated the terms of the EU contract. The contract states that AstraZeneca has not signed any other contracts that impede delivery to the EU. Apparently those contracts were there after all.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2370277-farmaceut-astrazene...

What a complete load of bks, Halix only signed a deal with Astra at the beginning of December, months after the agreement with both the UK and EU was signed. Before that the Halix contract was with Oxford college for development as they had both the facilities and the expertise to help development of the upscale in production needed. You are just not understanding what the AZ boss is saying. The UK Gov. did give money to Halix but it was nothing to do with AZ.

https://www.labmate-online.com/news/news-and-views...

https://www.b3cnewswire.com/202004152058/halix-ent...

[Northernboy]

DeltonaS said:

Seems Englands vaccination programm is the new Falklands.
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What do you think that means? You do understand, don’t you, that the Falklands were liberated successfully?

I have to ask, were you one of the morons congregating in the Vondelpark last night?

I can’t understand how any of you lot dare criticise any other country’s performance at the moment.

[CraigyMc]

Northernboy said:

DeltonaS said:

Seems Englands vaccination programm is the new Falklands.
l

What do you think that means? You do understand, don’t you, that the Falklands were liberated successfully?

I have to ask, were you one of the morons congregating in the Vondelpark last night?

I can’t understand how any of you lot dare criticise any other country’s performance at the moment.

I was a bit confused by that too, especially as the Falklands being UK territory is one of the places in the world that is advanced in vaccination due to a delivery of AZ there recently.

Maybe the reference went above my head?

[Flooble]

CraigyMc said:

Northernboy said:

DeltonaS said:

Seems Englands vaccination programm is the new Falklands.
l

What do you think that means? You do understand, don’t you, that the Falklands were liberated successfully?

I have to ask, were you one of the morons congregating in the Vondelpark last night?

I can’t understand how any of you lot dare criticise any other country’s performance at the moment.

I was a bit confused by that too, especially as the Falklands being UK territory is one of the places in the world that is advanced in vaccination due to a delivery of AZ there recently.

Maybe the reference went above my head?

You read the Formula1 threads so I am sure you know the answer to that one.

[DeltonaS]

Northernboy said:

DeltonaS said:

Seems Englands vaccination programm is the new Falklands.
l

What do you think that means? You do understand, don’t you, that the Falklands were liberated successfully?

I have to ask, were you one of the morons congregating in the Vondelpark last night?

I can’t understand how any of you lot dare criticise any other country’s performance at the moment.

The Falklands were liberated succesfully ?, Those poor Falklanders, home of a mere 2.800 people. As if that was the prime concern back than.

By the way; I meant Falklands in the sence that the English national identy seems to be totally hung up on something trivial as a vaccination programm.

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

Good story by the way: how Philips won the Falkland war :
https://www.vpro.nl/argos/lees/onderwerpen/cryptol...

Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 25th February 22:08

[vaud]

DeltonaS said:

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

Like defending and liberating it's citizens?

[i4got]

vaud said:

DeltonaS said:

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

Like defending and liberating it's citizens?

You have to make allowances that Deltona may be from a culture that is used to waiting for others to save them rather than acting for themselves. (Excuse me if I missed the news about the Dutch vaccine invention and production program)

[DeltonaS]

i4got said:

vaud said:

DeltonaS said:

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

Like defending and liberating it's citizens?

You have to make allowances that Deltona may be from a culture that is used to waiting for others to save them rather than acting for themselves. (Excuse me if I missed the news about the Dutch vaccine invention and production program)

Like the English waiting for big brother USA and Russia to save them from their isle/a 5 year lock-down you mean.

You couldn't even win the Falkland war without help:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684...

And indeed you misted the Dutch vaccine and production programm by Janssen.

Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 25th February 22:16

[Andy 308GTB]

DeltonaS said:

i4got said:

vaud said:

DeltonaS said:

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

Like defending and liberating it's citizens?

You have to make allowances that Deltona may be from a culture that is used to waiting for others to save them rather than acting for themselves. (Excuse me if I missed the news about the Dutch vaccine invention and production program)

Like the English waiting for big brother USA and Russia to save them from their isle/a 5 year lock-down you mean.

You couldn't even win the Falkland war without help:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684...

Knob

[anonymous-user]

The EU politicians doubling down is fking depressing.

As to Deltona, Moron.

[i4got]

DeltonaS said:

Like the English waiting for big brother USA and Russia to save them from their isle/a 5 year lock-down you mean.

You couldn't even win the Falkland war without help:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684...

And indeed you misted the Dutch vaccine and production programm by Janssen.

Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 25th February 22:16

You mean the US vaccine from a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson? Big brother USA indeed.

[Northernboy]

CraigyMc said:

I was a bit confused by that too, especially as the Falklands being UK territory is one of the places in the world that is advanced in vaccination due to a delivery of AZ there recently.

Maybe the reference went above my head?

It’s weird, the Dutch here in the Netherlands have been so welcoming, and express such a fondness for the English, so different to Mr Angry here.

Something surely must have happened to him.

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DeltonaS said:

i4got said:

vaud said:

DeltonaS said:

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

Like defending and liberating it's citizens?

You have to make allowances that Deltona may be from a culture that is used to waiting for others to save them rather than acting for themselves. (Excuse me if I missed the news about the Dutch vaccine invention and production program)

Like the English waiting for big brother USA and Russia to save them from their isle/a 5 year lock-down you mean.

You couldn't even win the Falkland war without help:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684...

If that is the case, and I'm not certain that site is entirely correct, why would we?
If intelligence from allied countries was available then would you expect us to ignore it.
"No sorry we don't want to know about the Argentinian weapon systems capabilities as we want do be billy big bks and make a point we can go it alone."
Makes perfect sense to me.

[CraigyMc]

DeltonaS said:

The Falklands were liberated succesfully ?, Those poor Falklanders, home of a mere 2.800 people. As if that was the prime concern back than.

Er, yes, it was actually. Still is. It's why there's an RAF airbase there and a garrison of more than 1000 British Army troops.

The Falkland Islanders are mostly (in fact, overwhelmingly) pro-British. So are most of the smaller population islands around the world that are still part of the crown.

DeltonaS said:

By the way; I meant Falklands in the sence that the English national identy seems to be totally hung up on something trivial as a vaccination programm.

I dunno why you start talking about Englishness here rather than Britishness. Maybe it's just a translation thing, but I'm Scottish and British (definitely not English) if that helps.

The British don't talk about the Falklands often as a big thing that's been done for the world as it was mostly a matter of protecting British territory and people.
I've read posts over on pprune by one of the harrier pilots that went in to liberate the islands (at 10ft and 500kts).

Those guys have balls.
He relayed that when attending a briefing on a normal training hop you'd be told "hard floor, 250ft" and going below that would be considered dangerous and you'd get beasted for it.
On the way into real combat during the Falklands conflict, his CO told him and his squadron "hard floor is 0ft. Good luck gentlemen.

There was extreme bravery in that conflict, probably on both sides, but for obvious reasons I have read and seen the British stuff.

If you want to bring up a topic where Brits get all misty-eyed about doing things for the good of the world, that would probably be a picture of a Spitfire, with a Nazi flag on fire.

DeltonaS said:

Similar trivial as liberating a piece of rock thousands of miles away in a corner of the world nobody cares about but a military junta and old England that thought it had something to prove.

I don't really know what to say to this. I mean, put simply if the UK had fallen, chances are we'd all be speaking German in a very different Europe right now. Well, I wouldn't, because my family tree involves quite a few people who fought on the side that would not have been around to create me.

To my mind, the Oxford/AZ vaccine is a gift to the world - there aren't any other C19 vaccines being made at cost price - and with the intellectual property on how to do it being offered freely so that other countries and companies can manufacture it. On that basis it is doing the world a favour by solving C19 as a global problem.

[Northernboy]

DeltonaS said:

The Falklands were liberated succesfully ?

Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 25th February 22:08

Well yes. Argentina invaded, rounded up the population, and the UK responded as you’d expect by sending troops to liberate them.

You are coming across as actually having some sort of mental issues at this point, are you OK? Can you even explain to yourself why you are so desperate to try to one-up people from the UK?

I can see that you are incensed by the idea of a British driver outperforming your guy, but surely that’s not what’s got you coming across like an angry teenager.

[CraigyMc]

Northernboy said:

CraigyMc said:

I was a bit confused by that too, especially as the Falklands being UK territory is one of the places in the world that is advanced in vaccination due to a delivery of AZ there recently.

Maybe the reference went above my head?

It’s weird, the Dutch here in the Netherlands have been so welcoming, and express such a fondness for the English, so different to Mr Angry here.

Something surely must have happened to him.

My last holiday before lockdown was on Texel with some of my mates from Rosendaal and Breda. I don't really undestand why DeltonaS holds the opinions he does.

Maybe it's just venting? I could totally get that.

[Octoposse]

CraigyMc said:

Northernboy said:

DeltonaS said:

Seems Englands vaccination programm is the new Falklands.
l

What do you think that means? You do understand, don’t you, that the Falklands were liberated successfully?

I have to ask, were you one of the morons congregating in the Vondelpark last night?

I can’t understand how any of you lot dare criticise any other country’s performance at the moment.

I was a bit confused by that too, especially as the Falklands being UK territory is one of the places in the world that is advanced in vaccination due to a delivery of AZ there recently.

Maybe the reference went above my head?

I took the parallel to be that it's an enthusiastically received success, that has transformed the prospects at the next election of a politician who had previously been failing and flailing?

Seems quite a reasonable political comparison, irrespective of rights and wrongs of either.

[Northernboy]

DeltonaS said:

Like the English waiting for big brother USA and Russia to save them from their isle/a 5 year lock-down you mean.

You couldn't even win the Falkland war without help:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684...

And indeed you misted the Dutch vaccine and production programm by Janssen.

Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 25th February 22:16

You’re forgetting, I’m a Dutch resident. It’s going absolutely terribly here. Absolutely no-one is looking at other countries and feeling smug.


I take no pleasure in that, one of my homes is here, I’ve a lot of good friends here, and am trying to build what I hope will be a major Dutch bank, but it’s an absolute disaster right now.

[Jordan210]

Have no fear. Super COVID is here. Wait that’s not right we need to be very scared apparently


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9300941...

[Northernboy]

CraigyMc said:

My last holiday before lockdown was on Texel with some of my mates from Rosendaal and Breda. I don't really undestand why DeltonaS holds the opinions he does.

Maybe it's just venting? I could totally get that.

Insomuch as any country could be said to have a character, he doesn’t have it.

I wonder if he’s one of the locals who’ve been priced out of Amsterdam by immigrants such as me. Even then though, most are pragmatic about it, they know that it’s a cost of the country attracting foreign talent.