The EU v UK vaccine tussle

[Art0ir]

rover 623gsi said:

I’d be happy for Britain to send a load of vaccines to Ireland as we share a land border with them

After that, we should start helping out commonwealth countries

The EU (other than Ireland) can do one...

It really does make sense. Living in NI, regularly working in in ROI and have family there. The reality is normality won’t return here until the whole island is vaccinated.

[loafer123]

Art0ir said:

rover 623gsi said:

I’d be happy for Britain to send a load of vaccines to Ireland as we share a land border with them

After that, we should start helping out commonwealth countries

The EU (other than Ireland) can do one...

It really does make sense. Living in NI, regularly working in in ROI and have family there. The reality is normality won’t return here until the whole island is vaccinated.

The Eire government rejected the offer of vaccine supplies to spare the EU's blushes.

Mind you, since then, many EU countries have gone off and done their own thing so perhaps Coveney is starting to see a pattern by his abusers?

[pquinn]

loafer123 said:

The Eire government rejected the offer of vaccine supplies to spare the EU's blushes.

Mind you, since then, many EU countries have gone off and done their own thing so perhaps Coveney is starting to see a pattern by his abusers?

They've never realised before when the EU was busy fking them over, so I doubt they'll start now. They genuinely act as self harming useful idiots.

[FiF]

This gave me a chuckle on Twitter

@DamCou

"Remainers who said that the EU Referendum was a vote about the kind of country the UK wanted to take in the world and the values it hoped to project beyond its borders were right"

tbh not sure is was just Remainers who said that but anyway two pics accompanied the post.






Plus of course France now weighing in on the same front. Lovely neighbours.

[Tyre Tread]

Can we not just tow the UK so it sits between Australia and new Zealand please?

[Sophisticated Sarah]

FiF said:

This gave me a chuckle on Twitter

@DamCou

"Remainers who said that the EU Referendum was a vote about the kind of country the UK wanted to take in the world and the values it hoped to project beyond its borders were right"

tbh not sure is was just Remainers who said that but anyway two pics accompanied the post.






Plus of course France now weighing in on the same front. Lovely neighbours.

Hopefully the world will remember how the EU has acted. It’s despicable.

[Armchair Expert]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

I can offer my experience here in Germany, and I think it all depends on which State you live in. The way the country works means that each individual State can take their own route. Here in Baden-Württemberg it seems better than other States. My wife’s 85 year old grandmother has had both Pfzer/Biontech jabs, my father in law has had both, my mother in law has had the first jab and is booked in the second. My wife (38) gets the first Astra jab on Saturday and has the appointment for the second. Her sister (30) has her appointments, with the first jab in three weeks I think. I have both appointments for the Astra jab, with the first jab in two weeks. During conversation with colleagues it seems like everyone’s parents or relatives over 60 have had both jabs, the first of the two jabs or at least has appointments for the first jab in the next few weeks. Similarly, many friends (30s and 40s) have had jabs or at least have appointments. Germany is currently sticking to the recommended time between first and second jabs, which inevitably impacts on numbers being vaccinated compared to anywhere that is happy to give the first jab and worry about the second later.

So where is Germany getting their vaccines from.

I know there are shortages in POland with not all medical staff yet vaccinated, Czech Republic, Spain is struggling too? Yet Germany is vaccinating 30 year olds!

[turbobloke]

Armchair Expert said:

RedWhiteMonkey said:

I can offer my experience here in Germany, and I think it all depends on which State you live in. The way the country works means that each individual State can take their own route. Here in Baden-Württemberg it seems better than other States. My wife’s 85 year old grandmother has had both Pfzer/Biontech jabs, my father in law has had both, my mother in law has had the first jab and is booked in the second. My wife (38) gets the first Astra jab on Saturday and has the appointment for the second. Her sister (30) has her appointments, with the first jab in three weeks I think. I have both appointments for the Astra jab, with the first jab in two weeks. During conversation with colleagues it seems like everyone’s parents or relatives over 60 have had both jabs, the first of the two jabs or at least has appointments for the first jab in the next few weeks. Similarly, many friends (30s and 40s) have had jabs or at least have appointments. Germany is currently sticking to the recommended time between first and second jabs, which inevitably impacts on numbers being vaccinated compared to anywhere that is happy to give the first jab and worry about the second later.

So where is Germany getting their vaccines from.

I know there are shortages in POland with not all medical staff yet vaccinated, Czech Republic, Spain is struggling too? Yet Germany is vaccinating 30 year olds!

Aye.
That's unity for you.

[anonymous-user]

Tyre Tread said:

Can we not just tow the UK so it sits between Australia and new Zealand please?

But we'd have to leave Europe!

[poo at Paul's]

loafer123 said:

Art0ir said:

rover 623gsi said:

I’d be happy for Britain to send a load of vaccines to Ireland as we share a land border with them

After that, we should start helping out commonwealth countries

The EU (other than Ireland) can do one...

It really does make sense. Living in NI, regularly working in in ROI and have family there. The reality is normality won’t return here until the whole island is vaccinated.

The Eire government rejected the offer of vaccine supplies to spare the EU's blushes.

Mind you, since then, many EU countries have gone off and done their own thing so perhaps Coveney is starting to see a pattern by his abusers?

But didnt Ireland have a number of referendums on EU membership future until they voted the correct way? And they also seriously frustrated the Brexit process when in suited them.
UK's vaccination program has waned a little this week, near half the level of prior weeks. I hope we keep the impetus on vaccinating UK citizens as a priority, tbh, we have endured more pain than most of our European cousins in both deaths, cases and restrictions. The vaccination program has been very successful so far, but it is still at huge cost. Lets not take the foot off the gas now, just because the EU bureaucrats have fked up. Let's no forget, when they did fk up, it was all UK's fault, too.

It's their bed...

[gruffalo]

catweasle said:

Tyre Tread said:

Can we not just tow the UK so it sits between Australia and new Zealand please?

But we'd have to leave Europe!

But it would be warmer and we could choose a location outside of normal bad weather areas.

[vaud]

gruffalo said:

But it would be warmer and we could choose a location outside of normal bad weather areas.

And would then be at least a 2 hour flight to get to anywhere else, and no ferry options, with it being 1300 miles NZ-Aus.

[Muddle238]

gruffalo said:

catweasle said:

Tyre Tread said:

Can we not just tow the UK so it sits between Australia and new Zealand please?

But we'd have to leave Europe!

But it would be warmer and we could choose a location outside of normal bad weather areas.

But spiders, snakes, crocs and great white sharks...

[gruffalo]

vaud said:

gruffalo said:

But it would be warmer and we could choose a location outside of normal bad weather areas.

And would then be at least a 2 hour flight to get to anywhere else, and no ferry options, with it being 1300 miles NZ-Aus.

OK then stick us 50 Miles north of NZ so we could get the ferry there for a change of scenery and no language barriers;-)

just need to build a couple of race tracks in NZ for track days, Spa of the south without the dodgy weather:-)

[sunbeam alpine]

FiF said:

This gave me a chuckle on Twitter

@DamCou

"Remainers who said that the EU Referendum was a vote about the kind of country the UK wanted to take in the world and the values it hoped to project beyond its borders were right"

tbh not sure is was just Remainers who said that but anyway two pics accompanied the post.






Plus of course France now weighing in on the same front. Lovely neighbours.

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

[i4got]

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

[Wombat3]

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Australia signed a deal with AZ last August. 50M doses to be produced in Aus, 3.8M to be delivered from elsewhere in Jan/Feb. They were in the queue in front of the EU and their deliveries are also late. Haven't heard them whingeing about it though indeed the PM has said he understands what Italy did given the state of affairs there

However, what the EU should have done is pick up the phone to him (much like they should have picked up the phone to us before invoking A16) instead of behaving like the protectionist bullies that they have shown themselves to be.

[Wombat3]

gruffalo said:

vaud said:

gruffalo said:

But it would be warmer and we could choose a location outside of normal bad weather areas.

And would then be at least a 2 hour flight to get to anywhere else, and no ferry options, with it being 1300 miles NZ-Aus.

OK then stick us 50 Miles north of NZ so we could get the ferry there for a change of scenery and no language barriers;-)

just need to build a couple of race tracks in NZ for track days, Spa of the south without the dodgy weather:-)

Its a bit wobbly down there at the minute though!

[sunbeam alpine]

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

[Wombat3]

sunbeam alpine said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

No, that is the downpayment for their initial batch of doses - at cost. By the time they agreed to that the thing had been designed, manufactured and was well into trials.