The EU v UK vaccine tussle

[turbobloke]

sunbeam alpine said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

Did a UK institution get some of the UK's money back? Hope so.

[i4got]

sunbeam alpine said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

That is not funding the development - that was their pre-order payment.

I can't see any evidence of any of the billion pound public funding coming from the EU.

[Wombat3]

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

That is not funding the development - that was their pre-order payment.

I can't see any evidence of any of the billion pound public funding coming from the EU.

Exactly, they just bought vaccines. They have been trying to spin that as "funding research", but its mostly bks.

[turbobloke]

Wombat3 said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

That is not funding the development - that was their pre-order payment.

I can't see any evidence of any of the billion pound public funding coming from the EU.

Exactly, they just bought vaccines. They have been trying to spin that as "funding research", but its mostly bks.

Well well. EU getting into the murky depths? Whodathunkit.

[Wombat3]

It gets worse - seems as though Italy has had 1.5M doses of the AZ vaccine delivered but only actually used less than 350K to date.

[turbobloke]

FFS

[anonymous-user]

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

That's a proper chippy article.

[MG CHRIS]

Just when you think the EU couldn't possibly shot itself in the foot any more times they find yet more ways to find space. I do hope we see a huge movement in European countries to put a huge reality check forwards for the EU to re think it's action. If within this year UK hits it's aim in vaccine target along with low cases and deaths and with a growing economy while European countries go round in circles wonder if people's mind will finally change. It's going to be hell of a ride for the next few years.

[Vanden Saab]

turbobloke said:

Wombat3 said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

i4got said:

sunbeam alpine said:

To give this some perspective -

From - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/12/pharma-compan...

"The covid-19 vaccine being co-developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca was originally discovered by Oxford’s Jenner Institute and has received more than a billion pounds of public funding... "

Nearly 40% of that funding came directly from the EU. At this point in time Astra Zeneca has delivered less than 30% of the agreed doses within the EU, citing production problems. It appears, however, that they have sufficient production within the EU to ship to Australia.

Id be interested to see where the 40% EU figure came from. It's the first I've heard of it. Every statistic i've seen highlights how little funding was provided by the EU compared to the UK and the US.

For some reason I can't cut and paste from the document, but if you search for "APA_-_AstraZeneca.pdf" you'll see in Para 7.2 that the EU contributed €336 million toward the cost of development.

That is not funding the development - that was their pre-order payment.

I can't see any evidence of any of the billion pound public funding coming from the EU.

Exactly, they just bought vaccines. They have been trying to spin that as "funding research", but its mostly bks.

Well well. EU getting into the murky depths? Whodathunkit.

euronews said:

The Commission adds that it has invested in funding research, including €660 million (€747m) under the Horizon 2020 programme to develop vaccines, treatments, tests and medical systems.
However, "the EU has invested significantly less than both the UK and the US on the vaccine front", according to Rasmus Bech Hansen, CEO of life sciences company Airfinity which has collected data on vaccines.
He told the BBC that the EU bet early on vaccine candidates, especially Sanofi-GSK which turned out to be an unreliable candidate.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/27/covid-19-vacci...

40% my arse...

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Armchair Expert said:

So where is Germany getting their vaccines from.

I know there are shortages in POland with not all medical staff yet vaccinated, Czech Republic, Spain is struggling too? Yet Germany is vaccinating 30 year olds!

No idea, every member state of the EU is free to do whatever they want in terms of vaccination. This is separate from any EU shenanigans, people need to see and understand the difference.

[Blib]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

No idea, every member state of the EU is free to do whatever they want in terms of vaccination. This is separate from any EU shenanigans, people need to see and understand the difference.

So, they each have their own, unique method of delaying vaccine rollout to their citizens. That's impressive.

[Northernboy]

Earthdweller said:

Here’s an interesting one for you

I’m living in Ireland, my elderly mother came to stay with us just before Covid started

We kept her here with us .. she is still with us and we have been shielding her

She’s 85 and pretty frail


I’ve made enquires here about getting her a vaccine ... I’ve so far been told flat “No” because she isn’t Irish and doesn’t pay tax in Ireland

They are saying that because she has been Ireland more than six months her EHIC card isn’t valid

So .. she can’t leave and she can’t have a vaccine

When I point out to them we are locked down, and have been since March last year, the borders are closed and we cannot leave they just shrug

I’m fuming

How far are you from the border?..

[jesusbuiltmycar]

MG CHRIS said:

Just when you think the EU couldn't possibly shot itself in the foot any more times they find yet more ways to find space. I do hope we see a huge movement in European countries to put a huge reality check forwards for the EU to re think it's action. If within this year UK hits it's aim in vaccine target along with low cases and deaths and with a growing economy while European countries go round in circles wonder if people's mind will finally change. It's going to be hell of a ride for the next few years.

If it looks like we are doing well they fill find a way to retaliate

[anonymous-user]

Northernboy said:

Earthdweller said:

Here’s an interesting one for you

I’m living in Ireland, my elderly mother came to stay with us just before Covid started

We kept her here with us .. she is still with us and we have been shielding her

She’s 85 and pretty frail


I’ve made enquires here about getting her a vaccine ... I’ve so far been told flat “No” because she isn’t Irish and doesn’t pay tax in Ireland

They are saying that because she has been Ireland more than six months her EHIC card isn’t valid

So .. she can’t leave and she can’t have a vaccine

When I point out to them we are locked down, and have been since March last year, the borders are closed and we cannot leave they just shrug

I’m fuming

How far are you from the border?..

I checked the info online last night and your mum is allowed to travel for medical reasons. Get her booked into NHS NI and pop over the border, she is entitled to UK vaccine.

[Muddle238]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Armchair Expert said:

So where is Germany getting their vaccines from.

I know there are shortages in POland with not all medical staff yet vaccinated, Czech Republic, Spain is struggling too? Yet Germany is vaccinating 30 year olds!

No idea, every member state of the EU is free to do whatever they want in terms of vaccination. This is separate from any EU shenanigans, people need to see and understand the difference.

It seems the EU bosses are also free to do whatever they want in making vaccine rollout as much of a complete mess as possible. Why is Germany vaccinating 30 year olds??

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Muddle238 said:

It seems the EU bosses are also free to do whatever they want in making vaccine rollout as much of a complete mess as possible. Why is Germany vaccinating 30 year olds??

I'm not 100% certain on it but the current vaccination criteria here in Germany is not solely based on age. Vulnerable people can nominate two support people who then qualify, certain professions qualify, etc. As far as I am aware a 30 year old would not currently qualify for vaccination solely based on their age.

[Earthdweller]

jsf said:

Northernboy said:

Earthdweller said:

Here’s an interesting one for you

I’m living in Ireland, my elderly mother came to stay with us just before Covid started

We kept her here with us .. she is still with us and we have been shielding her

She’s 85 and pretty frail


I’ve made enquires here about getting her a vaccine ... I’ve so far been told flat “No” because she isn’t Irish and doesn’t pay tax in Ireland

They are saying that because she has been Ireland more than six months her EHIC card isn’t valid

So .. she can’t leave and she can’t have a vaccine

When I point out to them we are locked down, and have been since March last year, the borders are closed and we cannot leave they just shrug

I’m fuming

How far are you from the border?..

I checked the info online last night and your mum is allowed to travel for medical reasons. Get her booked into NHS NI and pop over the border, she is entitled to UK vaccine.

I’m just waiting for a reply from the HSE to see if they’ll give it her here

But it may well be the way forward if I can work out who to speak to in the North

We are on the Galway/Mayo border

[Earthdweller]

jsf said:

I checked the info online last night and your mum is allowed to travel for medical reasons. Get her booked into NHS NI and pop over the border, she is entitled to UK vaccine.

That might be way forward I’ll ring them on Monday. We both are registered with GP’s in England and still pay tax in U.K. and are resident

Not sure how that will work with NI as we are staying in the South at the moment .. but there’s no harm in asking

And if necessary hopefully I can get done as her carer ( which I am )

I’ll let you know what they say on Monday

Thanks

[anonymous-user]

Earthdweller said:

That might be way forward I’ll ring them on Monday. We both are registered with GP’s in England and still pay tax in U.K. and are resident

Not sure how that will work with NI as we are staying in the South at the moment .. but there’s no harm in asking

And if necessary hopefully I can get done as her carer ( which I am )

I’ll let you know what they say on Monday

Thanks

Best of luck.

Try the online booking system. https://vaccinations.covid-19.hscni.net/booking

[Jockman]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Muddle238 said:

It seems the EU bosses are also free to do whatever they want in making vaccine rollout as much of a complete mess as possible. Why is Germany vaccinating 30 year olds??

I'm not 100% certain on it but the current vaccination criteria here in Germany is not solely based on age. Vulnerable people can nominate two support people who then qualify, certain professions qualify, etc. As far as I am aware a 30 year old would not currently qualify for vaccination solely based on their age.

30 year olds are being vaccinated in the UK. My daughter was one of them. She was vaccinated circa 3 weeks ago. She visits elderly people living alone and helps them with meals etc.