The EU v UK vaccine tussle
Discussion
b0rk said:
No AZ claiming publicly that the supply chains are separate then shifting product between chains is not a good look. Either they’re separate or they’re not. The contract may well allow this or it may not none of us know the truth. The EC wouldn’t and shouldn’t be aware of what the contract terms are between the UK and AZ.
The point I’ making and you’ve missed is the EU had paid for number doses with a potential delivery date of by end Q1 they do have a fair claim to ask why the order isn’t being fulfilled and moreover ensuring that their supply hasn’t gone elsewhere in breach of contract. Just like the UK has a contract and fair claim to ensure that their order is fulfilled in accordance with the contract.
Somewhere they will be a delivery schedule which states who is entitled to what and when.
Who invested what is not the issue if the supply chains are separate and deliveries linked to these seperate supply chains. However if they’re not then it’s the contracts that define what is allowable and what is not.
And you think going on a podium and slagging them off in front of the world is the best way to handle this?The point I’ making and you’ve missed is the EU had paid for number doses with a potential delivery date of by end Q1 they do have a fair claim to ask why the order isn’t being fulfilled and moreover ensuring that their supply hasn’t gone elsewhere in breach of contract. Just like the UK has a contract and fair claim to ensure that their order is fulfilled in accordance with the contract.
Somewhere they will be a delivery schedule which states who is entitled to what and when.
Who invested what is not the issue if the supply chains are separate and deliveries linked to these seperate supply chains. However if they’re not then it’s the contracts that define what is allowable and what is not.
In any other circumstance they would scrap the contract as not worth the damage to their reputation dealing with these clowns.
i4got said:
The Telegraph are reporting that an export ban on the Pfizer vaccine will be put in place from Friday threatening the UK supply.
I don't have full visibility of the story due to firewall.
I really hope that isn't true. It would impact those who have received the first Pfizer shot and would be a disaster for future relations with the EU.I don't have full visibility of the story due to firewall.
"the EU’s executive arm will on Friday require companies seeking to ship the inoculations outside the bloc to obtain prior authorization.
European Council President Charles Michel has also raised the prospect of effectively seizing control of vaccine production if those measures fail to get the program back on track, a European official said."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-28...
European Council President Charles Michel has also raised the prospect of effectively seizing control of vaccine production if those measures fail to get the program back on track, a European official said."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-28...
chrispmartha said:
With regards to the pfizer ‘block’ wouldn’t you want the UK to do the same if it was in the same position with a shortage of vaccines
Make sure you got the doses paid for from the UK manufacturer before any got shipped out?
The UK system is based on a supply of Pfizer already agreed and paid for.Make sure you got the doses paid for from the UK manufacturer before any got shipped out?
If all the people who have taken the first dose of Pfizer cant get the second, that's a major issue for those people, mostly the most vulnerable.
I hope the UK switches to AZ only for these now getting the first shot and reserves the stocks of Pfizer to give second doses only. If need be buy the top up Pfizer from the USA, if they are happy to supply.
The EU are no longer a trusted partner in this.
paulrockliffe said:
That's all true, but don't forget there was a kick-off earlier about mixing vaccines for second doses where the first dose is unknown. It's not policy, but it isn't ruled out as dangerous or not a viable approach. Not my area of expertise, but it may be that two different vaccines are better than two the same as it's a more diverse immune response. It simply won't have been tested, so the sensible approach is not to mix, but the reality may be that it's not a problem.
A hybrid position could be switch to AZ, then give a second dose of AZ on top.
Sure, but that would effectively make the first shot null and void and extend the period to get this virus under control in the UK. It also introduces risks not tested for, which will undermine the whole process and bring a level of fear to the elderly affected. It would be an appalling situation, all due to the EU pissing about.A hybrid position could be switch to AZ, then give a second dose of AZ on top.
swamp said:
The Australian now reporting:
Pfizer may switch manufacturing of its coronavirus vaccine to the US in order to fulfil supply agreements, as the pharmaceutical giant warned EU export restrictions could disrupt global supply, including 10 million doses earmarked for Australia.
This is turning into a sPfizer may switch manufacturing of its coronavirus vaccine to the US in order to fulfil supply agreements, as the pharmaceutical giant warned EU export restrictions could disrupt global supply, including 10 million doses earmarked for Australia.
t show for the EU rapidly.DeltonaS said:
What wasn't a choice is that AZ can't uphold it's promised number of vaccines. Not just by a minor %, no a significant %.
It's a shambles, not just by the EU, by AZ first and foremost. They've agreed to deliver something which they clearly can't.
If you have ever created anything physical you will be aware that sometimes despite your best endeavours that something can be a failure and you have to start again. (Thats why when making new components for an F1 car we cast more castings than we need as final products to cater for inclusions or machining errors)It's a shambles, not just by the EU, by AZ first and foremost. They've agreed to deliver something which they clearly can't.
That is why in this case time is of the essence in getting the program started as it can take longer than you hoped if you encounter problems.
Welcome to creating a vaccine at scale on a new site.
Its unreal this has to even be stated. It's like watching a 5 year old stomping their feet because they didn't get their own way. It's absolute classic pen pusher syndrome meeting the reality of the physical world for the first time.
How do you defend the morons in the EU on this one? It's completely nuts.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
If the EU have ordered something for delivery at a specific time, I am failing to see why it is the fault of the EU if the manufacturer fails to comply.
Still, grrrr hate EU.
If you try your best and fail, moaning about it doesn't get you anywhere. Still, grrrr hate EU.
You should get the f
k on with it to buy time to fix the problems, as the UK did.Same goes with Israel.
https://youtu.be/Zq-AsGvgHjQ
Stay in Bed Instead said:
jsf said:
That will come if they block export of the Pfizer vaccine.
They f
ked up. It's amazing remoaners like you cant even acknowledge that. Most of the EU citizens sure as st can.Maybe the next tactic will be a charm offensive to get some of the UK stock when the grrrrrrrrr aproach fails.
Stacey is the EU if it wasn't obvious. https://youtu.be/RJRvPmONjVY
Stacey is the EU if it wasn't obvious. https://youtu.be/RJRvPmONjVY
chrispmartha said:
TonyToniTone said:
chrispmartha said:
If it was the other way round we’d have some posters on here demanding we send the army in to get what we paid for ;-)
grrrr hate UK.Do you live in the EU?
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