The EU v UK vaccine tussle

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EddieSteadyGo said:

spikeyhead said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

jsf said:

So when are the EU going to start their legal action against the French vaccine manufactureres that they ordered from and have produced ZERO vaccines?

We aren't going to see the commision take Astrazeneca to court. It is all about leverage i.e. bullying. They hope the threat of action will result in AZN shareholders and stakeholders applying pressure to the management to "settle" e.g. give the EU what they want, regardless of the contract or law.

And unfortunately it might work as AZN will want to avoid the aggro of a continuing public dispute with a major customer like the EU.

It's surely a very short term strategy.

Not really. If you are a big organisation and you have no shame or ethics, it can work well.

It shouldn't work well, but it can and often does.

Is the big organisation with no shame or ethics the EU?

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Vanden Saab said:

Assuming the EU is going to share out the vaccines equally by my math that equates to 60 million doses a week going into the EU. Where are those doses coming from?

von der layen's arse.

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Expected if not utterly ridiculous action.

How anyone in their right mind would still want to be part of the EU stshow, is honestly beyond me?

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FiF said:

Well they're definitely going ahead with sueing AZ, and still maintaining that some of 'their' doses were sent to UK.

Meanwhile ""AstraZeneca regrets the European Commission's decision to take legal action over the supply of Covid-19 vaccines.

"Following an unprecedented year of scientific discovery, very complex negotiations, and manufacturing challenges, our company is about to deliver almost 50m doses to European countries by the end of April, in line with our forecast."

The EU commission are beyond contempt, a pox on them all. What is surprising is how the EU member state Governments are going along with this too. Collective insanity.

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Distinct lack of attention to this thread by our resident number of remainer and ant-Boris members on this thread I notice?

They're awfully busy on other threads, how odd.

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MOTORVATOR said:

Be interesting to see how US deals with those doses. As Biden determining where they go as they have paid for them, as gift aid to Covax or just allow AZ to service it's other contracts by lifting the export ban?

They don't have that much stock currently, it's a bit of a false story. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus...

"The Biden administration announced that the Covid-19 vaccination doses would be exported pending approval by US regulators. “We do not need to use Astra Zeneca in our fight against Covid-19 in the next few months,” said White House press secretary Jen Psaki.

She stressed,however, that the vaccines would not be exported immediately. “Just to be clear, right now, we have zero doses available of AstraZeneca,” she said. Instead, ten million could be released in the coming weeks, while 50 million doses would likely be available in May or June. Ms Psaki did not say which countries would be in line for the US doses.

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MOTORVATOR said:

Isn't pretty well all the Baltimore production on hold for release at the moment due to the problems at the plant. Any useable AZ stock was shipped off to Canada / Mexico and whole plant was turned over to J&J solely but FDA are still not happy the problems are resolved last I read?

There were issues with contamination at the plant, but that affected the J&J batch which is made at the same site.

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MOTORVATOR said:

Bit more than just the one batch. All manufactured J&J and AZ is now quarantined and AZ has had to up sticks and start manufacture elsewhere if you read these.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/04/21...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/emer...

Guessing that's why the White house is saying they haven't got any AZ available today as they haven't been putting it in arms yet as not approved and hence should have some stock.

Edited by MOTORVATOR on Monday 26th April 22:07

The USA in March committed to supplying 4 million doses of AZ to Canada and Mexico when it passed its checks.

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MOTORVATOR said:

I think putting it all together we will find that US won't let any further existing stock out of quarantine until FDA approve what has been manufactured by Emergent and also no export until their own emergency use has been approved.

Agree with the first part, disagree with the second. As soon as its deemed safe and out of quarantine, they will ship it.
They have no intention of using AZ in the USA now.

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MOTORVATOR said:

There's been articles stating export once AZ have applied for and gained emergency authorisation. I think that's maybe a case of who ships it. If it's just left to AZ then they may have no problem but if it is US themselves supplying then maybe it needs to at least have met home use approval. Probably a bit of US law in there somewhere regarding drugs export. Hence the Canada / Mexico supply done as a 'loan'?

The USA has already shipped AZ to Canada and Mexico.

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EddieSteadyGo said:

Agree, AZN are under huge pressure. But there is no chance the Commission will actually proceed with court action. Watch it all fade away, never to be mentioned again, as we get into the summer. Right now, they are just trying to save face.

The EU started legal proceedings in the Belgium courts on Friday.

Not sure how you missed this based on the info posted including AZ statement after proceedings were laid at the court.

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Earthdweller said:

633Squadron said:

Now this is interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/eu-v...

There’s nothing like a scorned mistress

Unfortunately it was the EU that was fking us not the other way round

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loafer123 said:

turbobloke said:

FiF said:

Just noticed a comment from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. He's just pointed out that even if Bozzer did say "let the bodies pile up" it was never official Govt policy, whereas it does seem to have been the case for several EU nations as they tolerated the pile up of 3,000 bodies per day. Inconvenient truth.

It seems an odd thing for Boris to say given that he's been ultra cautious such that he'd let company liquidations pile up first.

Even so it's been a good source of comedy from the Grrrr Boris camp.

It is all completely ridiculous.

If I said;

"I'd rather cut my own arm off than work in the City again."

...do you think I would actually rather cut my own arm off? No, of course not.

Except in this case, even if he said it, he didn't even say it to anyone. The sources say he was on his own in his office at the time.

It's all a load of fking nonsense dreamed up by PR tts.

They love to hate Boris, the only people that give a st are the media and the so called 'opposition Party'

As a Country we are going to come back sooner than any EU one IMO

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FiF said:

Well this is both hilarious and a bit of a puzzler.

Verhofstadt in a "Answer to a problem is more EU" but anyone see the foot shooting incident?

Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter said:

@guyverhofstadt

Months ago I warned that the lack of vaccines is a result of weak contracts????

Better draw lessons & make sure we do better going forward: a real EU health union is needed, with the power, size, money & expertise to take on any future health challenges !

https://t.co/KQf45o2Qgs

Apart from the more EU solution, it's an attempt to cure an issue caused by weak contracts. Err but Guy you've just initiated legal action over alleged non compliance with what you've publicly declared is a weak contract, not to mention completely ignored the dispute resolution process in that same contract. Just give up, you are beyond hope.

Numpty.

Absolutely astounding!

So they've immediately lost at great expense to the EU taxpayer?

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FiF said:

Well this is both hilarious and a bit of a puzzler.

Verhofstadt in a "Answer to a problem is more EU" but anyone see the foot shooting incident?

Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter said:

@guyverhofstadt

Months ago I warned that the lack of vaccines is a result of weak contracts????

Better draw lessons & make sure we do better going forward: a real EU health union is needed, with the power, size, money & expertise to take on any future health challenges !

https://t.co/KQf45o2Qgs

Apart from the more EU solution, it's an attempt to cure an issue caused by weak contracts. Err but Guy you've just initiated legal action over alleged non compliance with what you've publicly declared is a weak contract, not to mention completely ignored the dispute resolution process in that same contract. Just give up, you are beyond hope.

Numpty.

st politicians do love the messiah arms out giving a sermon pose. UvDL loves a good messiah pose at the lectern too.

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633Squadron said:

See bold. I think it is worse. It is failed politicians - who haven't quite grasped why they have failed.

They genuinely believe they are doing a great job. Dangerous people.

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BOR said:

It's irrelevant when the contract was signed, and irrelevant whether the EU were paying 1€ per dose or 10€ per dose.

AZ agreed the terms of the contract and the price and now appear to have walked off the job because there is not enough money in it for them.

"Supply problems" but seems like they can find some spare doses down the back of the sofa for other buyers.

They deserve a good fking for their behaviour.

You'd be better just sticking to the day job, the EU are quite happy to let you cock that up without sanction.

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Meanwhile, UK secures an additional 60 million booster doses for winter from Pfizer.

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So the story is UK help out long term friend and allie after EU screw them by having a contract with a mutual supplier that allows this.

Sounds like a benefit of having good relationships and good contract lawyers. Maybe the EU should outsource it's foreign policy and contracts department to the UK, I'm sure we wouldn't charge over the market rate.

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loafer123 said:

My wife told me a story about being at a trade exhibition and a guy walked onto one of the stands and said “I’ll take all of those, 20 of those” etc.

Boss of the firm said “No you won’t and get off my stand. You promised me you wouldn’t sell cheap to undercut the market, and you did. I am not selling you anything ever again.”

Apparently it was rather satisfying to watch.

Price fixing the market is illegal.