The EU v UK vaccine tussle
Discussion
RedWhiteMonkey said:
True, my mistake. Still interested where the 80% and 58% figures are from though. Somewhere between 60-65% for first jab and between 42-46% for fully vaccinated is the range I can find on various different websites. The discrepancy seems rather large. It could be a case that the websites I can find are including under 18s in their data, which would affect the percentages.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/Edited by RedWhiteMonkey on Friday 18th June 06:56
So the UK has managed to round up far more people to get jabbed than Europe. Great.
Do people here have a meaningfully different level of restrictions that we're living under....? Not bloody obviously and in fact wrt to travel it seems that's rather a lot easier there. I thought the point of the whole bloody thing was to reduce numbers of people dying such that we can get back to normal asap. We've had far lower deaths than Europe literally for months but not exactly any quicker to drop restrictions....
Do people here have a meaningfully different level of restrictions that we're living under....? Not bloody obviously and in fact wrt to travel it seems that's rather a lot easier there. I thought the point of the whole bloody thing was to reduce numbers of people dying such that we can get back to normal asap. We've had far lower deaths than Europe literally for months but not exactly any quicker to drop restrictions....
21st Century Man said:
France is at 46% 1st and 25% 2nd. The worry in May was that they'd plateau into June and that seems to be the case. Polls indicated that 60% won't have it, though they've done a bit better than that, but not by much. I think they're going to have to make it compulsory.
Whereas AIUI although I cannot find the actual up to date figures our over 50s uptake is well over 90% overall...That we have jabbed over 80% of the adult population with the under 25s only just starting to be jabbed gives you a good idea. Vanden Saab said:
As for the difference it makes deaths in EU countries are still 5 to 10 times the levels in the UK. Vaccine hesitancy in the EU may be a major factor in the months to come if areas like Bolton are anything to go by as it looks like the level of vaccination needed to reach any degree of HI is higher than most estimates.
The current death rate per million is actually 3.7 times greater in the EU than the UK. One would expect these numbers to keep dropping as vaccination numbers keep increasing.
Globally, there are really scary numbers and some places don't even seem to be keeping count. We should be thankful that we live in Europe and not some parts of Asia or Africa.
andy43 said:
As above - Europe HAS to sort the antivaxxer problem before the Indian variant gets a hold. We’re 90% delta, in France/Germany its under 5% of cases from what I’ve read this week.
AIUI Germany's now at 6.2%.I suspect summer couldn't have been better timed for them, finally coming out of their lockdown, whether that's enough to keep it at bay and get the vaccinations done before the autumn I guess we'll see in time.
isaldiri said:
So the UK has managed to round up far more people to get jabbed than Europe. Great.
Do people here have a meaningfully different level of restrictions that we're living under....? Not bloody obviously and in fact wrt to travel it seems that's rather a lot easier there. I thought the point of the whole bloody thing was to reduce numbers of people dying such that we can get back to normal asap. We've had far lower deaths than Europe literally for months but not exactly any quicker to drop restrictions....
Do people here have a meaningfully different level of restrictions that we're living under....? Not bloody obviously and in fact wrt to travel it seems that's rather a lot easier there. I thought the point of the whole bloody thing was to reduce numbers of people dying such that we can get back to normal asap. We've had far lower deaths than Europe literally for months but not exactly any quicker to drop restrictions....
21st Century Man said:
France is at 46% 1st and 25% 2nd. The worry in May was that they'd plateau into June and that seems to be the case. Polls indicated that 60% won't have it, though they've done a bit better than that, but not by much. I think they're going to have to make it compulsory.
Comparing 1st doses given in France during June to Germany/Italy/UK and it doesn't look like France has plateaued to me. They are slightly behind Germany and Italy but the rate seems fairly similar.Will be interesting to see the level these countries reach by the later part of July. With the new pending EU travel rules being based on being double-vaxed, I suspect they will be in a pretty good position.
768 said:
We've had the delta variant to contend with though, so I'm not sure being mid-range isn't a sign of the vaccine rollout having gone relatively well.
Its obviously this, by Monday we would have no legal restrictions if it wasn't for the Delta variant. That was their stated aim and they were on track for it.I think there may be a certain amount of overcautiousness now given the high level of vaccination amongst the vulnerable. But would you have wanted to remove all restrictions knowing that it would without doubt hastened at least a modest number of deaths, likely in younger healthy adults?. Its bad for some sectors of the economy, but the vast majority are still getting on OK. Personally I can live without theatres and busy restaurants etc for a few weeks longer.
andy43 said:
As above - Europe HAS to sort the antivaxxer problem before the Indian variant gets a hold. We’re 90% delta, in France/Germany its under 5% of cases from what I’ve read this week.
UK's been doing a lot of surge testing which I don't think other countries are, so I wouldn't be surprised if European rates of Delta are higher than reported.isaldiri said:
So the UK has managed to round up far more people to get jabbed than Europe. Great.
Do people here have a meaningfully different level of restrictions that we're living under....? Not bloody obviously and in fact wrt to travel it seems that's rather a lot easier there. I thought the point of the whole bloody thing was to reduce numbers of people dying such that we can get back to normal asap. We've had far lower deaths than Europe literally for months but not exactly any quicker to drop restrictions....
Not sure what the UK restrictions are at the moment, but if you're after a comparison, in the Netherlands bars and restaurants outdoor terraces opened about a month ago, and as of last weekend they're allowed a maximum of 30 people inside, groups of up to 4 from 2 households, and close at 10. Shops opened up probably a couple of months ago and are limited on numbers based on floor area. I think that's a bit stricter than the UK but not by that much.Do people here have a meaningfully different level of restrictions that we're living under....? Not bloody obviously and in fact wrt to travel it seems that's rather a lot easier there. I thought the point of the whole bloody thing was to reduce numbers of people dying such that we can get back to normal asap. We've had far lower deaths than Europe literally for months but not exactly any quicker to drop restrictions....
RizzoTheRat said:
Not sure what the UK restrictions are at the moment, but if you're after a comparison, in the Netherlands bars and restaurants outdoor terraces opened about a month ago, and as of last weekend they're allowed a maximum of 30 people inside, groups of up to 4 from 2 households, and close at 10. Shops opened up probably a couple of months ago and are limited on numbers based on floor area. I think that's a bit stricter than the UK but not by that much.
As I understand it NL are binning masks from next Tuesday.I was in a call with a colleague this week who commented on the fact that the NL are catching up with the UK on vaccine rollout (not the first time he has said that) despite the fact that he is early 60s and is still a few weeks away from jab 2 and all of us in England and Wales in our 40s are now double jabbed.
It'll be mid-July at least before we reach that pointI think masks are still being discussed rather than definitely being ditched. Suggestion at the moment seems to be they'll still be needed on public transport and places where you can't keep 1.5m separation.
As for catching up, I'm pretty sure the gap is narrowing, friends my age in the UK only had thier second jab in the last few weeks, I get my second one in 4 weeks, so maybe 6 or 7 weeks behind, but my first one was months behind the UK, where they started on my age group back in March/April
As for catching up, I'm pretty sure the gap is narrowing, friends my age in the UK only had thier second jab in the last few weeks, I get my second one in 4 weeks, so maybe 6 or 7 weeks behind, but my first one was months behind the UK, where they started on my age group back in March/April
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