The EU v UK vaccine tussle

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Swervin_Mervin

4,465 posts

239 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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madbadger said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
madbadger said:
and all of us in England and Wales in our 40s are now double jabbed.
No we're not laugh It'll be mid-July at least before we reach that point
Apologies - All of us in my work meeting.
Ahhh, got you. Makes more sense laugh

loafer123

15,452 posts

216 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
loafer123 said:
BTW, what has happened in the EU/AZ case…I haven’t seen anything recently?
I was wondering that too. It just went silent.
Just had a quick look - sounds like they should get a verdict within the next 2-3 weeks.

Interesting comment in one of the articles, though;

"An AstraZeneca spokesman told AFP on Friday that it has already submitted to the Belgian court evidence that it had informed the European Commission last year during contract negotiations that Britain would have priority on vaccines produced there."

CarlosFandango11

1,921 posts

187 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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isaldiri said:
FiF said:
So....mid range compared to Europe and pretty much no change here compared to back in April when we already had far higher vax levels and less deaths. There I was thinking the much more successful rollout would be showing a very clear difference in restrictions by now.......
There is a very clear difference in restrictions since the beginning of April including:
Indoor and outdoor hospitality and hotels open
Non-essential retail and personal care open
Gyms & swimming pools open
Meeting indoors up to 6 people or 2 households
Most meeting up outdoors rules lifted

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56158405

Edited by CarlosFandango11 on Friday 18th June 12:33

EddieSteadyGo

11,993 posts

204 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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I was *very* sceptical that the EU would proceed with their legal threat, mainly because of the risk that it might backfire. Which seems to have just happened, according to this... court finds in favour of AZN.....



https://twitter.com/ShonaMurray_/status/1405860369...

768

13,707 posts

97 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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Hopefully AZ have the opportunity to seek redress.

loafer123

15,452 posts

216 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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EddieSteadyGo said:
I was *very* sceptical that the EU would proceed with their legal threat, mainly because of the risk that it might backfire. Which seems to have just happened, according to this... court finds in favour of AZN.....



https://twitter.com/ShonaMurray_/status/1405860369...
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MadCaptainJack

673 posts

41 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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The EU has a different take: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail...

The EU said:
Today, the Court of First Instance of Brussels decided to grant interim measures in the case brought against AstraZeneca by the European Commission and the 27 EU Member States.

The court orders AstraZeneca to urgently deliver 50 million doses of vaccine by 27 September 2021 - according to a binding schedule:
  • 15 million doses by 26 July, at 9 a.m.,
  • 20 million doses by 23 August,
  • 15 million doses at 27 September.
In the event of non-compliance with these delivery deadlines AstraZeneca will have to pay a penalty of €10 per dose not delivered.

The judge's decision on the requested interim measures is based on the fact, that AstraZeneca committed a serious breach (‘faute lourde') of its contractual obligations with the EU.

The court also holds that AstraZeneca should have deployed all its efforts to deliver the vaccines within the agreed timetable including the British production sites explicitly mentioned in the contract – especially given the big delays in deliveries to the EU.

J210

4,526 posts

184 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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This is EU take




So who actually won and what’s happening

EddieSteadyGo

11,993 posts

204 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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MadCaptainJack said:
The EU has a different take: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail...

The EU said:
Today, the Court of First Instance of Brussels decided to grant interim measures in the case brought against AstraZeneca by the European Commission and the 27 EU Member States.

The court orders AstraZeneca to urgently deliver 50 million doses of vaccine by 27 September 2021 - according to a binding schedule:
  • 15 million doses by 26 July, at 9 a.m.,
  • 20 million doses by 23 August,
  • 15 million doses at 27 September.
In the event of non-compliance with these delivery deadlines AstraZeneca will have to pay a penalty of €10 per dose not delivered.

The judge's decision on the requested interim measures is based on the fact, that AstraZeneca committed a serious breach (‘faute lourde') of its contractual obligations with the EU.

The court also holds that AstraZeneca should have deployed all its efforts to deliver the vaccines within the agreed timetable including the British production sites explicitly mentioned in the contract – especially given the big delays in deliveries to the EU.
Would be good to read the full judgement but it seems like AZN did win.

The court have said AZN need to deliver to a revised schedule of doses. And said if they don't there is a penalty of 10 euros per dose not delivered. Which is what the EU are quoting and how they are claiming "victory". However, the new schedule is far below what the EU were demanding. And far later as well. And the new schedule seems to be below the level which AZN would have achieved anyway.

Plus there is no penalty being applied for the current late deliveries. So they haven't got any more doses, nor have they been promised any more doses than they were going to get anyway, nor received compensation for the delay. So its hard to say objectively how the EU have won.

Biggy Stardust

6,927 posts

45 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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MadCaptainJack said:
The EU has a different take: (etc)
If 70m doses have already been delivered then ordering a lesser amount to be delivered by September isn't much of a win for the EU.

It's almost like the old days of hearing stories from Pravda.

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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Well somebody is a right little fibber. Who to believe? Couldn't make it up. Someone did.
scratchchin

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

248 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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EddieSteadyGo said:
MadCaptainJack said:
The EU has a different take: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail...

The EU said:
Today, the Court of First Instance of Brussels decided to grant interim measures in the case brought against AstraZeneca by the European Commission and the 27 EU Member States.

The court orders AstraZeneca to urgently deliver 50 million doses of vaccine by 27 September 2021 - according to a binding schedule:
  • 15 million doses by 26 July, at 9 a.m.,
  • 20 million doses by 23 August,
  • 15 million doses at 27 September.
In the event of non-compliance with these delivery deadlines AstraZeneca will have to pay a penalty of €10 per dose not delivered.

The judge's decision on the requested interim measures is based on the fact, that AstraZeneca committed a serious breach (‘faute lourde') of its contractual obligations with the EU.

The court also holds that AstraZeneca should have deployed all its efforts to deliver the vaccines within the agreed timetable including the British production sites explicitly mentioned in the contract – especially given the big delays in deliveries to the EU.
Would be good to read the full judgement but it seems like AZN did win.

The court have said AZN need to deliver to a revised schedule of doses. And said if they don't there is a penalty of 10 euros per dose not delivered. Which is what the EU are quoting and how they are claiming "victory". However, the new schedule is far below what the EU were demanding. And far later as well. And the new schedule seems to be below the level which AZN would have achieved anyway.

Plus there is no penalty being applied for the current late deliveries. So they haven't got any more doses, nor have they been promised any more doses than they were going to get anyway, nor received compensation for the delay. So its hard to say objectively how the EU have won.
EU will have to spin it to save face but again they seem to go straight in feet first without thinking it through rather just being magnanimous. At current rates of supply AZ could satisfy the judgement within four weeks.

I imagine that then leaves them free to use their two EU plants to supply wherever they fancy?

NerveAgent

3,331 posts

221 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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I’m I reading it right that the EU are trying to spin that AZ have to deliver “50 million doses” by September but they have actually already supplied 40 million of those as its based on numbers from the start of the court case?

pavarotti1980

4,926 posts

85 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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NerveAgent said:
I’m I reading it right that the EU are trying to spin that AZ have to deliver “50 million doses” by September but they have actually already supplied 40 million of those as its based on numbers from the start of the court case?
It appears so yes smile

loafer123

15,452 posts

216 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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NerveAgent said:
I’m I reading it right that the EU are trying to spin that AZ have to deliver “50 million doses” by September but they have actually already supplied 40 million of those as its based on numbers from the start of the court case?
According to AZ, they have already delivered 70m of the 80m required.

VdL needs to be careful, she's spinning so hard she might implode!

768

13,707 posts

97 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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J210 said:
This is EU take




So who actually won and what’s happening
The clue is in her first and last lines.

If she has to say it...

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

248 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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768 said:
J210 said:
This is EU take




So who actually won and what’s happening
The clue is in her first and last lines.

If she has to say it...
Well she's right really.

AZ / Oxford are European it's just the EU that have lost. biggrin

vikingaero

10,379 posts

170 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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The only winners in this are the stupid lawyers.

pquinn

7,167 posts

47 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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J210 said:
This is EU take




So who actually won and what’s happening
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

PROPAGANDA IS PROPAGANDA