CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[Oakey]

How is this connected to Covid?

[danllama]

p1stonhead said:

danllama said:

p1stonhead said:

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

Another tick off the conspiracy list.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs...

Apart from the odd bit of change for tips, I haven’t used cash since contactless was launched. Am I missing something?

That's a very selfish outlook you've got. Beyond the end of your nose, there are very obvious negative implications of moving to a cashless society. It's also another element of the so called conspiracy theories that now has evidence that there are forces going on in the background that want it to happen.

I'm fairly neutral on the subject tbh but I can't see much positives of going cashless. I imagine such a system would be extremely vulnerable to malicious activity, fraud/hacking. And seeing the behaviour of the state this last year I would not trust them to not meddle with people's private accounts if they deemed it for "the greater good".

Edited by danllama on Tuesday 2nd March 07:29

What a bizarre response.

I haven’t used cash for probably a couple of years and that’s not exaggerating. I’ve probably had a tenner here and there for something.

I haven’t had literally any need for it. How on earth is it selfish?

You do realise a majority of people do it every day and never get ‘hacked’?

Are you saying you don’t do online banking that’s been around for probably 20 years?

In fact it’s likely way longer than a couple of years since I used cash considering last year was covid year.

I haven’t actually taken my bank card out of a drawer for a year since I added it to my phone actually. The horror!

Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 2nd March 07:54

It's not bizarre at all. All you're thinking about is yourselves; the very definition of selfish.

Who am I supposed to be thinking about in terms of not using cash?

Do you go out of your way to specially use it?

I am not going to make myself go to cash points just to buy something that is much simpler without it. That’s madness.

I agree nobody should have to go out of their way to withdraw cash. There should be a choice, cash or cashless, as there is now. Cashless is convenient of course, but I've stated a few reasons that I personally would not trust a cashless system in my response to the hun previously. It's easy enough to think of many more ways it could be used to make lives difficult. We would also be at the mercy of banks charging whatever fees they like. And once one bank raises their fees they all will; exactly how petrol forecourts match each other. Why would one charge less than another if they don't have to? It's a slippery slope.

[Twinfan]

isaldiri said:

Twinfan said:

I keep having to explain to my mum why having recently had the virus means I'm not bothering with the vaccine. She's very medical savvy but has completely fallen for the message that only the vaccine can save the world and I need to have it to protect myself. Erm, I think my infection acquired immunity will do me just fine, Mum...

This is the thing that is quite puzzling through this whole mess. People who are usually entirely rational and even more so for those who should have a better understanding of the subject matter ie doctor/medical types seem to have completely lost their senses in large numbers.

And everything points to sterilising immunity only lasting a relatively short time while protective immunity (which is what really matters) should last much longer. The whole messaging is now so wrapped around reduction of transmission so we must be stuck with a needle..... exactly how often are we going to need doing so in future.......?

I know, it's crazy. I feel like the little kid in the Emperor's New Clothes...

[survivalist]

tigamilla said:

RSTurboPaul said:

And some more evidence that our esteemed leaders are actually on a different planet:


The UK is 'ready to roar back': Predictions of fastest growth for FIFTY years and a black hole in nation's finances that is MUCH smaller than feared £40bn - as Boris Johnson says 'pessimists got it wrong'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9314553/F...

These extremely optimistic scenarios seem almost delusional, and there seems to be confusion between supply chain issues causing price rises and demand causing price rises. Seeing the same disconnect in the US. I wonder if the same doomsday psychologists are now being used to create positive economic hype.

As with all statistics the devil will be in the details.I'm sure that barbers, hairdressers and beauty salons will see unprecedented growth in May 2021. Compared to May 2020 ....

Article Says:

"Treasury sources did point out that part of the reason faster growth was expected was because of the sharp contraction in the economy last year."

[anonymous-user]

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

Another tick off the conspiracy list.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs...

Apart from the odd bit of change for tips, I haven’t used cash since contactless was launched. Am I missing something?

That's a very selfish outlook you've got. Beyond the end of your nose, there are very obvious negative implications of moving to a cashless society. It's also another element of the so called conspiracy theories that now has evidence that there are forced going on in the background that want it to happen.

I'm fairly neutral on the subject tbh but I can't see much positives of going cashless. I imagine such a system would be extremely vulnerable to malicious activity, fraud/hacking.

I’m selfish for asking a question?

Well that’s a new one on me.

The way you framed your question was incredibly selfish yes. I note you didn't bother responding to the points beyond that so I won't bother with you beyond this.

How in gods name is my “framing” selfish?

Maybe, just maybe, take a look in the mirror before casting accusations at people. I could quote easily make the assumption that you’re a bit of an ahole by the way you replied to me

[survivalist]

danllama said:

I agree nobody should have to go out of their way to withdraw cash. There should be a choice, cash or cashless, as there is now. Cashless is convenient of course, but I've stated a few reasons that I personally would not trust a cashless system in my response to the hun previously. It's easy enough to think of many more ways it could be used to make lives difficult. We would also be at the mercy of banks charging whatever fees they like. And once one bank raises their fees they all will; exactly how petrol forecourts match each other. Why would one charge less than another if they don't have to? It's a slippery slope.

That works in both directions. New entrants like Monzo and Starling have reduced or even removed foreign transaction fees, which has forced other, more established players, to reduce their fees as well.

It's a question of competition.

[Tankrizzo]

Oakey said:

How is this connected to Covid?

something something world economic forum mumble mumble conspiracy

[danllama]

garyhun said:

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

Another tick off the conspiracy list.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs...

Apart from the odd bit of change for tips, I haven’t used cash since contactless was launched. Am I missing something?

That's a very selfish outlook you've got. Beyond the end of your nose, there are very obvious negative implications of moving to a cashless society. It's also another element of the so called conspiracy theories that now has evidence that there are forced going on in the background that want it to happen.

I'm fairly neutral on the subject tbh but I can't see much positives of going cashless. I imagine such a system would be extremely vulnerable to malicious activity, fraud/hacking.

I’m selfish for asking a question?

Well that’s a new one on me.

The way you framed your question was incredibly selfish yes. I note you didn't bother responding to the points beyond that so I won't bother with you beyond this.

How in gods name is my “framing” selfish?

Maybe, just maybe, take a look in the mirror before casting accusations at people. I could quote easily make the assumption that you’re a bit of an ahole by the way you replied to me

I just called it how I saw it. Sorry if that offended you.

[danllama]

survivalist said:

danllama said:

I agree nobody should have to go out of their way to withdraw cash. There should be a choice, cash or cashless, as there is now. Cashless is convenient of course, but I've stated a few reasons that I personally would not trust a cashless system in my response to the hun previously. It's easy enough to think of many more ways it could be used to make lives difficult. We would also be at the mercy of banks charging whatever fees they like. And once one bank raises their fees they all will; exactly how petrol forecourts match each other. Why would one charge less than another if they don't have to? It's a slippery slope.

That works in both directions. New entrants like Monzo and Starling have reduced or even removed foreign transaction fees, which has forced other, more established players, to reduce their fees as well.

It's a question of competition.

Yeah good point cheers.

[anonymous-user]

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

garyhun said:

danllama said:

Another tick off the conspiracy list.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs...

Apart from the odd bit of change for tips, I haven’t used cash since contactless was launched. Am I missing something?

That's a very selfish outlook you've got. Beyond the end of your nose, there are very obvious negative implications of moving to a cashless society. It's also another element of the so called conspiracy theories that now has evidence that there are forced going on in the background that want it to happen.

I'm fairly neutral on the subject tbh but I can't see much positives of going cashless. I imagine such a system would be extremely vulnerable to malicious activity, fraud/hacking.

I’m selfish for asking a question?

Well that’s a new one on me.

The way you framed your question was incredibly selfish yes. I note you didn't bother responding to the points beyond that so I won't bother with you beyond this.

How in gods name is my “framing” selfish?

Maybe, just maybe, take a look in the mirror before casting accusations at people. I could quote easily make the assumption that you’re a bit of an ahole by the way you replied to me

I just called it how I saw it. Sorry if that offended you.

I’m too thick skinned to be offended BUT it is annoying when people make incorrect inferences from others posts.

Off to play piano now so will leave it there.

[danllama]

garyhun said:

I’m too thick skinned to be offended BUT it is annoying when people make incorrect inferences from others posts.

Off to play piano now so will leave it there.

Good stuff, enjoy!

[anonymous-user]

danllama said:

garyhun said:

I’m too thick skinned to be offended BUT it is annoying when people make incorrect inferences from others posts.

Off to play piano now so will leave it there.

Good stuff, enjoy!

That’s 30 mins of scales and Grieg so time for a cuppa.

[bodhi]

isaldiri said:

There is quite likely I think an element to rhinovirus and covid outcompeting the others in the northern hemisphere but given the way flu incidence had also reduced in Oz and NZ who had hardly any covid around suggests that flu was simply outright suppressed. whether that was mainly by lack of global travel that has stopped spread of different flu strains and whatever was around last winter the population is far more resistant to or if it was reduced by lack of social interactions however isn't entirely obvious.

Perhaps rhinovirus/rsv comparative incidence in the southern hemisphere or countries with very limited covid outbreaks might provide a better pointer to the effect of reducing social interactions? The later tweet with the incidence of hcovs does quite clearly I'd suggest show a clear indication of the reduction in spread of at least some respiratory diseases comparing the far lower rates of total hcov infections over winter 2020/21 compared to earlier years though....

Do we know if there is a similar surveillance report available for Australia / New Zealand? We know flu disappeared there last season (July/August), would be fascinating to see if it has the same effect on the other viruses in circulation also. However I can't help thinking the big effect has been in the lack of travel - or more specifically, the fact that not many people are traveling in and out of China, as it seems curious that the only places it is still around are SE Asia and Sub Saharan Africa, areas China are very heavily invested in.

Also been reading this morning that flu viruses disappearing is not a new phenomenon - someone posted another page from Hope-Simpson's back catalogue, about viruses (specifically influenza) disappearing:



Sadly seems to be another situation where we've completely forgotten about 100 years of research into respiratory viruses and how they tend to behave.

[anonymous-user]

bodhi said:

Sadly seems to be another situation where we've completely forgotten about 100 years of research into respiratory viruses and how they tend to behave.

And too much hubris amongst our less than stellar performing politicians?

[bodhi]

garyhun said:

And too much hubris amongst our less than stellar performing politicians?

Sadly the hubris from politicians has paled in comparison to the hubris from Public Health imo. Far too many "experts" on TV spreading stories of doom and nonsensical ideas - like treating COVID like measles - all showing up the fact that they aren't virologists or immunoligists and should probably defer to the real experts at times like this.

But instead you've got muppets like Devi and Greenhalgh going onto GMB and suggesting joggers wear masks due to the (non-existant) risk of catching the 'Rona outdoors.

[anonymous-user]

bodhi said:

garyhun said:

And too much hubris amongst our less than stellar performing politicians?

Sadly the hubris from politicians has paled in comparison to the hubris from Public Health imo. Far too many "experts" on TV spreading stories of doom and nonsensical ideas - like treating COVID like measles - all showing up the fact that they aren't virologists or immunoligists and should probably defer to the real experts at times like this.

But instead you've got muppets like Devi and Greenhalgh going onto GMB and suggesting joggers wear masks due to the (non-existant) risk of catching the 'Rona outdoors.

As soon as I posted, I knew I should have replaced ‘politicians’ with ‘experts’.

Or should that be ‘so called’ experts?

[anonymous-user]

bodhi said:

But instead you've got muppets like Devi and Greenhalgh going onto GMB and suggesting joggers wear masks due to the (non-existant) risk of catching the 'Rona outdoors.

M, m, m, my C'rona!

There's a knack to it.

[bodhi]

garyhun said:

As soon as I posted, I knew I should have replaced ‘politicians’ with ‘experts’.

Or should that be ‘so called’ experts?

I'd be more tempted to call them "Influencers" rather than Experts tbh.

And yes, that is meant as an insult.

[bodhi]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

bodhi said:

But instead you've got muppets like Devi and Greenhalgh going onto GMB and suggesting joggers wear masks due to the (non-existant) risk of catching the 'Rona outdoors.

M, m, m, my C'rona!

There's a knack to it.

You bugger. I've now had to dig that out, and I can confidently predict that's my earworm for the day

[johnboy1975]

Keeping emissions low will be "a challenge "

Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-live-news-latest-...

10.59 on ticker

sky said:

And the International Energy Agency (IEA), which has compiled the data, says ensuring that 2019 marks a definitive peak in global CO2 emissions will be "extremely challenging".

The IEA says the COVID crisis in 2020 triggered the largest annual drop in energy-related carbon dioxide emissions since the World War 2.

It also says avoiding a rebound in emissions requires "rapid change" around the world in how energy is used and produced.

In April 2020 global emissions registered their largest ever monthly drop. But by December they were 2% higher than the same month a year earlier.

The IEA says major economies led the resurgence as a pick-up in economic activity pushed energy demand higher.

China, the first major economy to emerge from the pandemic and lift restrictions, saw a 7% increase in emissions in December 2020 compared with a year earlier. It was the only country that experienced an overall increase in emissions last year of 0.8%

She (the climate change correspondant) doesn’t mention WFH as a possible cause Her implication appears to be "we reverted to our old ways pretty quickly because we are bad people"

No idea if China are WFH, or they are just tearing it up with manufacturing? (I suspect the latter)

I have previously posted this on one of the climate threads

https://www.powermag.com/chinas-economic-recovery-...

said:

While other countries, such as Japan and India, are building coal-fired power plants, China is adding the most coal-fired capacity of any country by orders of magnitude. China added 32 GW of coal-fired capacity in 2018, and 44 GW of new coal capacity in 2019. Almost 100 GW are under construction, and another 105 GW are either permitted or applying for permits.