CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
Discussion
vonuber said:
Nickgnome said:
To stop the infection taking hold again?
It's easy to be cavalier when the consequences are unknown.
I'll stick with expert advice and the government.
June 21 is only just over a month later anyway.
But it's fine to be cavalier with children's education and mental health?It's easy to be cavalier when the consequences are unknown.
I'll stick with expert advice and the government.
June 21 is only just over a month later anyway.
Children need teachers. If they are off en mass, it will not help.
mental health is a tricky one but longer periods of deprivation have been endured by children.
At least now Children communicate with social media. Almost too much in my opinion.
We are just 4months away fro seeing the back of this providing people are sensible.
My friends some of whom work in the ED and ICU in Portsmouth are also getting exhausted by this situation, but complain little.
Nickgnome said:
danllama said:
The time frame for the restrictions is not linked to the vaccine uptake. We've seen that very clearly now, despite our great leader telling us the contrary in December.
Isn't it.Please explain in detail as I disagree.
johnboy1975 said:
Its an endemic virus 
Deaths will be down by 90-95%. Seasonality will mean its at low levels. If we can't live with it on May 17th I suggest we will never be able to live with it, despite Boris saying different.
Might only be a month (between May 17th and June 21st) but what is going to change, other than a proportion of the under 50s getting jabbed? Is that really going to make a fundamental difference? If not, why support it?
I'm open to the idea of (very minimal) restrictions in the winter. Should they be proved necessary and effective.
It is not within our control so isn't it better to let it run it's course? Deaths will be down by 90-95%. Seasonality will mean its at low levels. If we can't live with it on May 17th I suggest we will never be able to live with it, despite Boris saying different.
Might only be a month (between May 17th and June 21st) but what is going to change, other than a proportion of the under 50s getting jabbed? Is that really going to make a fundamental difference? If not, why support it?
I'm open to the idea of (very minimal) restrictions in the winter. Should they be proved necessary and effective.
Jasandjules said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/...
Very interesting. Just how has India fared so well given their population, close living, poor sanitation etc?!!? 1B people and 150k deaths whilst we here hit 100k deaths (allegedly) with less than 70m people??!?!
India can't afford to pay for corona. Very interesting. Just how has India fared so well given their population, close living, poor sanitation etc?!!? 1B people and 150k deaths whilst we here hit 100k deaths (allegedly) with less than 70m people??!?!
Pocty
johnboy1975 said:
I guess the $64,000 question is: Will vaccinating the 18-50 group be better or worse overall, compared to letting the virus (that the vaccines kick the ass of) circulate. Keeping the current strain as the UK dominant one would appear to me to be very desirable, if not downright essential
Has this been looked at? We've got models for everything else....
I suppose the only reasonable answer one could give to that is who knows. And ultimately it likely doesn't really matter. Luckily protection from serious disease seems to be a fairly low bar that is quite easily achieved so even when vaccine escape mutations happen, it is still entirely likely that the result is someone getting the sniffles which isn't exactly an issue as long as the old folks don't end up dying.Has this been looked at? We've got models for everything else....
danllama said:
Nickgnome said:
danllama said:
The time frame for the restrictions is not linked to the vaccine uptake. We've seen that very clearly now, despite our great leader telling us the contrary in December.
Isn't it.Please explain in detail as I disagree.
The vaccine takes 21 days to be fully effective and that is just the first injection.
So vaccinated people are still vulnerable and able to carry the virus until after that period.
I'm sure if you really wanted to understand you could do a graph by age group and time.
Otispunkmeyer said:
There is most likely a giving up of trying to keep tabs on it all I suspect. I did read that in places like Dehli they'd just sorta stopped on the whole testing everyone thing and just kinda let things go back to normal a bit. They then did a seroprevalence test and found 60% of people had antibodies and it seemed like this was about the number needed for herd immunity to start working as they'd been seeing cases and deaths go down.
A watched pot never boils? 
Nickgnome said:
danllama said:
Nickgnome said:
danllama said:
The time frame for the restrictions is not linked to the vaccine uptake. We've seen that very clearly now, despite our great leader telling us the contrary in December.
Isn't it.Please explain in detail as I disagree.
The vaccine takes 21 days to be fully effective and that is just the first injection.
So vaccinated people are still vulnerable and able to carry the virus until after that period.
I'm sure if you really wanted to understand you could do a graph by age group and time.
IIRC we were promised freedoms after the over 70s had been done (plus the obligatory 17/21 days)??
1st dose seems to hold up in real life - at least until the 2nd dose 12 wks later
Will vaccinating the under 50s make a meaningful difference to hospitalisations and deaths?
soofsayer said:
MyNewLeng said:
There's a real "Stockholm syndrome" vibe out there since the unlocking announcement yesterday. It's baffling to see people not wanting this to end and being "anxious" about being given back freedoms.
It appears there's alot of people out there who've had a taste of Big Government and have taken a liking to it. Not good for those of us who value freedom and liberty.
On Vine today a woman rang in to explain how she was physically shaking with fear when Bojo announced removing restrictions yesterday. Yep. That’s where some people are at with covid. The fear mongers have certainly won a few hearts and minds.It appears there's alot of people out there who've had a taste of Big Government and have taken a liking to it. Not good for those of us who value freedom and liberty.
Pathetic!
johnboy1975 said:
......which takes us to May 17th (for over 50s + 17 days). May 21st if you want 21 days?
IIRC we were promised freedoms after the over 70s had been done (plus the obligatory 17/21 days)??
1st dose seems to hold up in real life - at least until the 2nd dose 12 wks later
Will vaccinating the under 50s make a meaningful difference to hospitalisations and deaths?
Sorry but I have no idea.IIRC we were promised freedoms after the over 70s had been done (plus the obligatory 17/21 days)??
1st dose seems to hold up in real life - at least until the 2nd dose 12 wks later
Will vaccinating the under 50s make a meaningful difference to hospitalisations and deaths?
As I said I concern myself with things I can control.
tigamilla said:
That reddit (and it's a big one) gives a perspective on a lot of young people who seem to have genuinely embraced lockdown, and many seem to have got a weird satisfaction from knowing that others were forced into the same situation they find themselves in everyday, no doubt - these will be the same very loud voices on Twitter blocking / cancelling any dissenting voices. Quite different from what I see in the real world (people largely just getting on with it!). Also a bit sad as it gives the impression that a lot of people that should be out enjoying life are not and Covid coming along normalised this.
I have been on reddit for a few years now (mainly for the motoring/hifi/technology subreddits),and it's blindingly obvious that reddit is largely populated by introverted/reclusive left-leaning
under 30s who spend all their time moaning about republican 'boomers' and boasting (yes,
boasting!) how depressed/fed up/insecure/hard done by they are...
The big question I have are they representative of young people in general or just shy geeks??
Edited by PBCD on Tuesday 23 February 19:56
Nickgnome said:
My friends some of whom work in the ED and ICU in Portsmouth are also getting exhausted by this situation, but complain little.
My ITU colleagues also. One estimated his average week this year was 76hours, longest one was 120hours apparently. Full shift system in PPE now for all grades of staffucb said:
Nickgnome said:
My friends some of whom work in the ED and ICU in Portsmouth are also getting exhausted by this situation, but complain little.
My ITU colleagues also. One estimated his average week this year was 76hours, longest one was 120hours apparently. Full shift system in PPE now for all grades of staffamgmcqueen said:
soofsayer said:
MyNewLeng said:
There's a real "Stockholm syndrome" vibe out there since the unlocking announcement yesterday. It's baffling to see people not wanting this to end and being "anxious" about being given back freedoms.
It appears there's alot of people out there who've had a taste of Big Government and have taken a liking to it. Not good for those of us who value freedom and liberty.
On Vine today a woman rang in to explain how she was physically shaking with fear when Bojo announced removing restrictions yesterday. Yep. That’s where some people are at with covid. The fear mongers have certainly won a few hearts and minds.It appears there's alot of people out there who've had a taste of Big Government and have taken a liking to it. Not good for those of us who value freedom and liberty.
Pathetic!
She says "the steps are already upstairs for you in position and I don't want to come any closer as I'm scared of getting covid".
10 minutes later the husband comes home from work and straight away comes upstairs to say hello, pats me on the back and then shakes my hand saying it good to see me again. We spend the next 10 minutes talking s
te and then I leave. I wonder how the social distancing works between them both.ucb said:
Nickgnome said:
My friends some of whom work in the ED and ICU in Portsmouth are also getting exhausted by this situation, but complain little.
My ITU colleagues also. One estimated his average week this year was 76hours, longest one was 120hours apparently. Full shift system in PPE now for all grades of staffI wonder how many times they looked dying covid patients in the eyes and said "Sorry, I gave you that".
GroundEffect said:
dmahon said:
I wish some of the pro lockdown mask lovers would find another thread to troll.
They literally have the entire internet to virtue signal but seem to want to poke the bear here, one of the few corners of the internet calling out and analysing the madness and destruction.
Looking for a safespace, huh?They literally have the entire internet to virtue signal but seem to want to poke the bear here, one of the few corners of the internet calling out and analysing the madness and destruction.
The Pro-lockdown zero covid advocates have the whole of Twitter/Reddit as their 'safespace'
where any dissenting replies are downvoted/deleted, so why shouldn't lockdown sceptics be
allowed to have one thread on one forum to be able to discuss the downsides of lockdowns
without constantly being constantly trolled and 'called out' by wealthy "no biggie" types?
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