CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[SCEtoAUX]

FiF said:

National Covid 19 threat level reduced to 4.



Looking at the numbers locally not sure that description applies, maybe 3, certainly not even rising, never mind exponentially.

They would argue that transmission is high, which of course it isn't.

I'd say we were at level three at most.

[johnboy1975]

Legend83 said:

FiF said:

National Covid 19 threat level reduced to 4.



Looking at the numbers locally not sure that description applies, maybe 3, certainly not even rising, never mind exponentially.

Seems odd they can justify this when the national R is supposedly below 1...

I thought that, but I guess they are using the 'high' bit of 'high or rising exponentially '

Even high is a bit of a stretch. But when you don't define the metrics you can make it fit

I had no idea that yesterday we were 'in grave danger of NHS being overwhelmed" - whats the latest capacity? 70%? Lower?

We should have gone down to 4 weeks ago. Would have been a good Q at a briefing :

"Prime minister, do you expect the NHS capacity to be exceeded this week?"

"No of course not - why?"

"Because we are still at level 5 you complete melt, turn it down a notch, eh?"

Edit:
But surely we are at level 3, a virus is in general circulation?

Edit2
SCE beat me to it

Edited by johnboy1975 on Thursday 25th February 16:51

[rover 623gsi]

Biker 1 said:

paul99 said:

Seems there not all that happy about it in Israel either!

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/protesters-demonst...

Not only that, but surprise surprise, infections are creeping up again as the schools reopen there:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/coronavirus-neta...

It doesn’t matter if positive cases rise so long as hospital admissions and deaths remain low

[SCEtoAUX]

323 deaths today and continuing to drop. Almost 19 million vaccinations.

They could plod along with the vaccinations, ask people to be a bit sensible, and end all restrictions right now. Absolutely no question.

[TheJimi]

FiF said:

National Covid 19 threat level reduced to 4.



Looking at the numbers locally not sure that description applies, maybe 3, certainly not even rising, never mind exponentially.

1 is almost certainly never going to happen.

2 is a very long way off.

So really, 3 is the best we can hope for, realistically - in the short to medium term, anyway. IMO.

[g4ry13]

Biker 1 said:

paul99 said:

Seems there not all that happy about it in Israel either!

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/protesters-demonst...

Not only that, but surprise surprise, infections are creeping up again as the schools reopen there:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/coronavirus-neta...

But the vaccine reduces transmission!!1

[johnboy1975]

And going off those 5 levels.......1 is impossible.

The next best, 2, requires enhanced screening and testing (forever?). Project moonshot alive and well, even with trace levels of the virus.

They have designed a system that is impossible to escape, even post vaccination. I think we can all agree that that is not incompetence?

[HaroldBishop]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

My 92 year old Grandad died in January - perfectly fit, still driving, few minor niggles but no major health concerns. Went out on a Friday morning to go to the doctors surgery for a vitamin B12 injection, fell on ice and broke his hip. He had an operation to repair it the next day but had a heart attack part way through and died a few hours later. At some point during this he was tested for Covid and the test came back positive, so he too will be counted among the deaths 'with Covid' despite it having absolutely nothing to do with his demise.

[foreright]

johnboy1975 said:

And going off those 5 levels.......1 is impossible.

The next best, 2, requires enhanced screening and testing (forever?). Project moonshot alive and well, even with trace levels of the virus.

They have designed a system that is impossible to escape, even post vaccination. I think we can all agree that that is not incompetence?

That was said by many people (myself included...) at the time it was introduced.

[Gadgetmac]

ant1973 said:

Gadgetmac said:

mondeoman said:

Suggest you reread what he wrote first. Nothing wrong with my comprehension whatsoever

Would you like it spelled out?

"What is indisputable is that many have seized on this to further their own agenda and a significant proportion of these individuals are in favour of the reordering of our economies and societies on environmental or far left grounds."

"The longer they keep us in lockdown the more damage they inflict and the closer they believe they will come to their goal."

A bit like her role model - Sturgeon - the idea that she is even capable of humility is frankly hilarious.

When was the last time she acknowledged that zero covid might not represent "the science".

Basically - again a bit like the Sturge - she cannot bear to be criticised. Only a question of time before she blames misogyny...

How I cannot wait for people like her with their sociology degrees to be removed from our screens.

I think you’ve quoted the wrong post/posters

Never mind, no biggie.

[grumbledoak]

johnboy1975 said:

And going off those 5 levels.......1 is impossible.

The next best, 2, requires enhanced screening and testing (forever?). Project moonshot alive and well, even with trace levels of the virus.

They have designed a system that is impossible to escape, even post vaccination. I think we can all agree that that is not incompetence?

I don't know how anyone continues to believe this is all incompetence and coincidence.

[johnboy1975]

foreright said:

johnboy1975 said:

And going off those 5 levels.......1 is impossible.

The next best, 2, requires enhanced screening and testing (forever?). Project moonshot alive and well, even with trace levels of the virus.

They have designed a system that is impossible to escape, even post vaccination. I think we can all agree that that is not incompetence?

That was said by many people (myself included...) at the time it was introduced.

1 is self evidently not possible so yes, that was spotted at the time

I guess my post is designed to highlight how st option 2 is. Testing. Forever. Are we really going to spend 100b a year testing for this virus???

Why???

School bubble closures will be going on way into next academic year on that metric. Despite everyone having had/ been offered the vaccine

[Graveworm]

HaroldBishop said:

My 92 year old Grandad died in January - perfectly fit, still driving, few minor niggles but no major health concerns. Went out on a Friday morning to go to the doctors surgery for a vitamin B12 injection, fell on ice and broke his hip. He had an operation to repair it the next day but had a heart attack part way through and died a few hours later. At some point during this he was tested for Covid and the test came back positive, so he too will be counted among the deaths 'with Covid' despite it having absolutely nothing to do with his demise.

That is tragic, so sorry for your loss. Yes he will be counted for PHE estimates as he died within 28 days of a positive test, But he should not be counted by the ONS as Covid should not appear as factor on the death certificate and certainly won't be shown as the underlying cause.

[monkfish1]

grumbledoak said:

johnboy1975 said:

And going off those 5 levels.......1 is impossible.

The next best, 2, requires enhanced screening and testing (forever?). Project moonshot alive and well, even with trace levels of the virus.

They have designed a system that is impossible to escape, even post vaccination. I think we can all agree that that is not incompetence?

I don't know how anyone continues to believe this is all incompetence and coincidence.

It seems the majority, inc on here, do believe that.

[Zoobeef]

TheJimi said:

FiF said:

National Covid 19 threat level reduced to 4.



Looking at the numbers locally not sure that description applies, maybe 3, certainly not even rising, never mind exponentially.

1 is almost certainly never going to happen.

2 is a very long way off.

So really, 3 is the best we can hope for, realistically - in the short to medium term, anyway. IMO.

That list was made when the ZeroCovTard illness was spreading worse than Covid itself.

[gareth_r]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I haven't fact-checked this...

https://dossier.substack.com/p/the-impersonator-er...

[FiF]

SCEtoAUX said:

FiF said:

National Covid 19 threat level reduced to 4.



Looking at the numbers locally not sure that description applies, maybe 3, certainly not even rising, never mind exponentially.

They would argue that transmission is high, which of course it isn't.

I'd say we were at level three at most.

Thought about this a bit more, and wonder if they may be placing more emphasis on the right hand column. Thus, if level 3 declared now, people would be saying that there should be relaxation of restrictions and social distancing now.

Suspect that the level will go to 3 when the forecast easing measures come in, just a guess though, who knows how the thought process goes with the powers that be.

[foreright]

johnboy1975 said:

1 is self evidently not possible so yes, that was spotted at the time

I guess my post is designed to highlight how st option 2 is. Testing. Forever. Are we really going to spend 100b a year testing for this virus???

Why???

School bubble closures will be going on way into next academic year on that metric. Despite everyone having had/ been offered the vaccine

Yep that was noted at the time also. Hancock was desperate to justify his mass testing experiment at the time from what I remember. I seem to remember him stating that it would be used for flu and other stuff going forward so this is not really a surprise. It’s not like they are even trying to hide any of this stuff.

[johnboy1975]

foreright said:

johnboy1975 said:

1 is self evidently not possible so yes, that was spotted at the time

I guess my post is designed to highlight how st option 2 is. Testing. Forever. Are we really going to spend 100b a year testing for this virus???

Why???

School bubble closures will be going on way into next academic year on that metric. Despite everyone having had/ been offered the vaccine

Yep that was noted at the time also. Hancock was desperate to justify his mass testing experiment at the time from what I remember. I seem to remember him stating that it would be used for flu and other stuff going forward so this is not really a surprise. It’s not like they are even trying to hide any of this stuff.

Hmmm - I took him to be moving on from covid to flu (to justify "his" empire, as you say)- but he clearly says both.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/24/matt...

“Having built this, we must hold on to it,” Hancock told a joint session of the health and science committees. “And afterwards we must use it not just for coronavirus, but everything."

So, "after" covid, we must continue testing for covid???

[Otispunkmeyer]

Uggers said:

Zoobeef said:

How, just how, when this many tests are being done are we getting ~50 a day with it on their death certificate with no test.

I can only assume these are carehome deaths and its just being tagged by WFH doctors for ease.

We assumed last April tests were in short supply when they couldn't confirm if our BiL died with Covid, But to not take the time to do a quick test now doesn't make sense.

It still rankles with the Mrs, that he was a Covid statistic and nothing to do with pneumonia and a 35 year history of drug abuse.

It really sounds like they should have pulled those relaxations about marking Covid down as cause of death back a bit over it was clear they were not going to have to sift through piles and piles of bodies stored in empty office blocks.